portuguese version of Barcelona's tiki-taka, playing with FC Porto 40 games, 39 victories, 1 defeat, goal-average 126-19
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hi i understand were you are coming from have to tried to change it to control and use the shout contain possession and not to good as i forgot to save so have to start all over however i did get to December and was 12 point clear of second place and won 3/4 of my champions league game which seen me qualify
I am working in another tactic, same formation, late afternoon I will try it and share results if it's worth. The one I share has some problems, although has a great possesion and works well at home games, it has some problems with away games against good teams and I couldn't also get the striker to score goals as he should... damn not even shots. On the other hand, attacking wingers and midfields score a lot. So, now I will correct the positioning of the wing backs and other details.
That second tactic has the same problems I mentioned before regarding the first one. The new one will also be set a 4-3-3, but I will try to put players playing a 3-7-0.
Mate, I think I have manage a new tactic that really put the team playing like Barcelona's tiki-taka :-) I am still at the pre-season but the way players pass the ball and move is awesome. To bad they are not yet fully identified with the tactic and also very tired due to the pre-season, but it is really really promissing (first game of pre-season 11-0, I was never, ever able to get a result like this) :-) Just let me play a few more games and I will share screenshots and link to download.
There are a few things that are absolutely essential with any tactic: lectures and private chating with players to keep them motivated; and even more important, you have to work the prefered moves of each. This is really the secret, for instance you won't do anything with a tiki-taka system if your forwards like long range shots. So alongside with the new tactic I am training this aspect and there are some prefered moves that all your players must do: disarms adversaries, close marking, disable all long range shots, defenders and midfields also prefered move pass more and shot less.
More Training: Lateral defenders act as wing backs, defensive midfielders as they are, midfielders as box-to-box, attacking midfields (flank) as inside forward and striker as number 10.
Some general instructions:
Strategy: Control
Philosophy: very fluid
Passing: More Short Pass (player instructions bar totally to the left for all players)
Pressing: more pressing
Tacking: more agressive
Creative Freedom: standard (player instructions: none to all players, except box-to-box midfielders)
Roaming: more roaming
Tempo: slow (bar totally to the left and move 2 steps to the right)
Width: narrow (the same as above)
Marking: Zonal Marking
Player Instructions:
Mentality: change to attacking to all players
All players move from position
Closing Down: Full to all players
Tacking: agressive
All players set to run from deep always, except defensive midfielder, box to box midfielders and number 10 (these are to be set sometimes)
Creative freedom set to none to all players except box to box
Tight Marking set to all players
All bars in the menu alongside with passing type (run from deep, run with ball, etc, etc) set to rarely except:
a) attacking midfields (flank)
1- run from deep: always
2- run with ball: sometimes
3- through ball: always
4- crossing: sometimes
5- wide play: cuts inside
b) number 10
1- run from deep: sometimes (also rarely, it's an option)
2- run with ball: sometimes
3- through ball: sometimes
4- crossing: sometimes
5- wide play: move into channels
So, with these instructions players are set to move all the time looking for space and they are always receiving and passing the ball, receiving and passing the ball until opponent is tired :-)
couldnt you intergrate the instructions for the players and training into the tactics so its a click and play. also if you share the tactic i am able to give it a try.
Yes, I will share it later this afternoon. Can not do it for now, I am at work :-)
Yesterday I have played 4 pre-season games: 11-0, 4-0, 3-1. 2-1... (all away games). Remember first games of Barcelona with Guardiola? They had even a few losses. My Ball possession always at 60-65%, worse case 20 shots, best case more than 30, long range shots very few (1/3 of total shots even less). Results are normal except 11-0 ( wow!!! ) but as I said players are tired (condition around 80-85% beginning of the game) due to pre-season and not full identified with tactic (bars are not yet full). Strangely they do not have a high number os passes (although a lot of players have pass percentage near 100%) , but I believe is because they do not need to since the teams played against were weak. Let's see the next games, I have 2 pre-season games at home and next Portuguese Supercup. Still, for those who like tiki-taka it is very enjoyable to watch players with this tactic :-) for those who find it boring, they will not like it :-)
Yes, hard, complexe, but possible.
Tactic I shared here, possession average around 65%, pass completion near 90%.
The new one, that I have wrote some instructions, is arround 65-70%, pass completion also 90% (88, 89). I have some players that do not even miss one pass. Although they are instructed to pass to feet (and other specific instructions) they do not make a lot of passes... still :-) This is the part I am working on and I believe today I will have these detalis solved.
Remember, tiki-taka is all about control... control the space, control the ball, always keep the ball. Also it is NOT a rigid system, nor even 10 players plus a goal-keeper. No! And it is all about movement, so you have to keep the ball and keep moving to unbalance the opposite team.
I have read and tried a lot of tiki-taka tactics but they all fail as a tiki-taka system, because the instructions are simply wrong. I am not saying they are not good tactics, I believe they are, but they are not tiki-taka :-)
There are a few things that are absolutely essential with any tactic: lectures and private chating with players to keep them motivated; and even more important, you have to work the prefered moves of each. This is really the secret, for instance you won't do anything with a tiki-taka system if your forwards like long range shots. So alongside with the new tactic I am training this aspect and there are some prefered moves that all your players must do: disarms adversaries, close marking, disable all long range shots, defenders and midfields also prefered move pass more and shot less.
More Training: Lateral defenders act as wing backs, defensive midfielders as they are, midfielders as box-to-box, attacking midfields (flank) as inside forward and striker as number 10.
Some general instructions:
Strategy: Control
Philosophy: very fluid
Passing: More Short Pass (player instructions bar totally to the left for all players)
Pressing: more pressing
Tacking: more agressive
Creative Freedom: standard (player instructions: none to all players, except box-to-box midfielders)
Roaming: more roaming
Tempo: slow (bar totally to the left and move 2 steps to the right)
Width: narrow (the same as above)
Marking: Zonal Marking
Player Instructions:
Mentality: change to attacking to all players
All players move from position
Closing Down: Full to all players
Tacking: agressive
All players set to run from deep always, except defensive midfielder, box to box midfielders and number 10 (these are to be set sometimes)
Creative freedom set to none to all players except box to box
Tight Marking set to all players
All bars in the menu alongside with passing type (run from deep, run with ball, etc, etc) set to rarely except:
a) attacking midfields (flank)
1- run from deep: always
2- run with ball: sometimes
3- through ball: always
4- crossing: sometimes
5- wide play: cuts inside
b) number 10
1- run from deep: sometimes (also rarely, it's an option)
2- run with ball: sometimes
3- through ball: sometimes
4- crossing: sometimes
5- wide play: move into channels
So, with these instructions players are set to move all the time looking for space and they are always receiving and passing the ball, receiving and passing the ball until opponent is tired :-)
Yesterday I have played 4 pre-season games: 11-0, 4-0, 3-1. 2-1... (all away games). Remember first games of Barcelona with Guardiola? They had even a few losses. My Ball possession always at 60-65%, worse case 20 shots, best case more than 30, long range shots very few (1/3 of total shots even less). Results are normal except 11-0 ( wow!!! ) but as I said players are tired (condition around 80-85% beginning of the game) due to pre-season and not full identified with tactic (bars are not yet full). Strangely they do not have a high number os passes (although a lot of players have pass percentage near 100%) , but I believe is because they do not need to since the teams played against were weak. Let's see the next games, I have 2 pre-season games at home and next Portuguese Supercup. Still, for those who like tiki-taka it is very enjoyable to watch players with this tactic :-) for those who find it boring, they will not like it :-)
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Did you try with the instructions I wrote?
Tiki-Taka has always been very hard to recreate on FM.
Tactic I shared here, possession average around 65%, pass completion near 90%.
The new one, that I have wrote some instructions, is arround 65-70%, pass completion also 90% (88, 89). I have some players that do not even miss one pass. Although they are instructed to pass to feet (and other specific instructions) they do not make a lot of passes... still :-) This is the part I am working on and I believe today I will have these detalis solved.
Remember, tiki-taka is all about control... control the space, control the ball, always keep the ball. Also it is NOT a rigid system, nor even 10 players plus a goal-keeper. No! And it is all about movement, so you have to keep the ball and keep moving to unbalance the opposite team.
I have read and tried a lot of tiki-taka tactics but they all fail as a tiki-taka system, because the instructions are simply wrong. I am not saying they are not good tactics, I believe they are, but they are not tiki-taka :-)
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