caleyjag - Comments

An incredible achievement. Congrats to everyone that played a part in keeping the site ticking over all these years.

Do people still use forums?

Things aint how they used to be!

Archer is good.

Nope.

An update since it's been a while since I posted:

You can use the search function to find teams/people that have had changes applied (top left of site).

The Windows app has been updated to address some connection issues, as well as better notifications and improved polling (checks whether there has been anything new added to the update instead of blindly downloading it regardless).

We've got almost 3,500 changes added (or for those that like bigger numbers, the official editor says it's almost 7,500) with between 100-300 added every day.

Been lightning quick for me, I've been on it the last 4 hours submitting and approving stuff.

For now, the simplest way of combating bias of altered stats is the following:

1. To average out the submissions values for positions/attributes. Someone submitting 20, and five others submitting lower values, should balance it out.

2. Those that don't want to have positions/attributes altered should make use of the filter.

I don't think CA/PA will be something that will be allowed to be amended via this app. This will help with stats that are not correct for their CA being corrected over time in the game itself.

I'll have to return to my point about the filter before going any further - you untick the type of thing you don't want.



There is no perfect solution for solving opinion or bias - there never will be. It's not fact. So reaching consensus on issues HAS to be done via an averaging out of submissions, or by trusting another persons judgement isn't clouded as much by their opinion of the player. Unfortunately, that will always be the situation.

The ultimate solution, is for us all to become Vulcans.

Okay, well I suggest you visit the website so you understand how it works.

The type of change is filtered - you don't untick each change you don't want, you untick the TYPE of change.

Transfers
Contracts
Injuries
Bans
Positions
Roles

So in your case, you'd untick Positions, as there is too much bias/opinion applied to those updates that may result in them being incorrect (in your opinion, of course)

Now, I'm not saying I know every player, or if someone should have 8 or 9 for heading for example, but I've got to trust those that do change the stats that they believe they are adjusting them FAIRLY. If someone disagrees with the change, I'm happy to listen. Changing things by consensus with a team of people is too difficult to do. It slows the process down, and even then you're still relying on peoples opinion of what they think the change should be. Are they still in a position to reach consensus of the 16 year old from China if they don't know the player? If the person submitting the information is more knowledgable about that player in question, shouldn't more weight be applied to their opinion than those that approve it?

So you'd like a system whereby an averaging out of altered stats is achieved?

So if someone came and said Player X has finishing of 20, and another said no, it's 15, I should approve the two opinions resulting in a finishing stat of 17/18? It's a simple thing to do (takes 2 minutes to change).

At the moment, I'm the only person approving things. Reason being that the site is small, so whilst there are perhaps 10-20 submissions per day, it's easily handled. I will be adding more people (trustworthy people - perhaps people who in the past created data updates, if they are interested) to be able to help out with approvals.

From what I understand of SI's procedure for data changes btw, there is actually 1 person who oversees everything, to verify/approve everything that is submitted.

Other than financial data & contractual information, everything else in Football Manager is speculation or opinion. The same will be the case of any updates done by the LiveUpdate website, someone doing their own update or SI themselves.

The difference - the BIG difference - with this is that if you don't agree with positions, attributes or any other type of information being changed, untick it before downloading it.

I've already got positions unticked on the auto-update tool exactly because of that, but the choice is there for people to add changes, and the choice exists for people to choose if they want to download it or not.

Adding/editing people in further detail will be added at a later date (it's a bit of work to get done), but like everything else, filters will exist if you choose to ignore it in your download

Further to that - and answering your questions:

The "instant" or "live" aspect of the data update is that there are no release dates. When you click Download, you get the very latest changes we've approved. I usually approve things within half an hour (usually within 5 minutes if I'm online at the time) although I do take time off between 11pm and 8am to sleep.

As JL94 says, ANYONE can update this, and I really hope they do. The bias MIGHT come into play when it comes to positional attributes, but the same would be true if you are a researcher for the game anyway, AND if you were 1 person making all the changes in the editor.

However, I'm contactable on Twitter and via Email, so if there are any updates that you don't agree with, you can let me know.

Attributes and positions are two different things.

Attributes is pace, tackling, finishing etc.

Positions is goalkeeper, central defender etc.

So no, you can not alter attributes (yet)

NEW! Windows App Released
I've finally finished off a little executable file that will run on your PC, automatically updating Football Manager 2014 in the background which means that any time you start a new game you'll always have the most up-to-date data update that we have.

When you run the app, minimise it to your system tray, then right click on the Data Update icon to select an Import interval - either every 30 minutes, 1 hour or 2 hours. You can also set this to Manual and just use the Manual update button on the app itself.

The app will notify you when it has updated FM2014.

I get an email, so it's whenever I've got time to pop onto site after being notified. Doesnt usually take too long

If you click the big number in the middle, it'll bring up a list of all changes, filtered by type or by club.


They were done a few days ago I think. If not, you can submit them yourself

As per my previous comment, click the "?" button, it contains all the information you need.

Click the question mark icon at the top right.

A small update to the page:

Changelist Toggle
There are two buttons to toggle between changes listed by TYPE (transfer, injury, ban, contract) and changes listed by CLUB.

Improved Data Entry
The data update now supports national team changes via an additional drop-down selection on some forms.
The update submission form now supports auto-fill entries (HTML5 supported browsers only). Once a name or a club is filled in, it will search for the corresponding ID number and populate the ID fields if it exists, saving you time.

We all appreciate the hard work that goes into FM Data Updates. I know from speaking to some people on here and other sites the amount of hours that are put in almost every day to make sure nothing is missed. I feel though, that it's time we set these people free and allowed them to enjoy the game more by proposing that we collectively create a data update using hundreds, perhaps thousands of people like ourselves to maintain it.

I've been working on a web-based tool that allows ANYONE to help create a data update. You don't need any editor knowledge, you don't need webspace to host your changes, or email it to me etc. etc. It's all done as a form on a website. All you need to do is turn on ID's in your game.

It's going to offer 5 different options for you to update:

Transfer - This is player and/or staff. You can set them as a free agent, transfer to another club, or move a player on loan.
Contracts - Update contracts for staff/players
Positions - Alter player position attributes (1-20) for all positions (GK, AML, ST, WB etc.)
Injuries - Add injuries to players
Bans - Add bans to players
Staff Roles - Change staff roles (make a person Manager, Chairman, U23 GK Coach etc.)

Once the change has been submitted, it gets verified and is then INSTANTLY available in the data update. The update doesn't get released once a month, fortnightly or whatever. It's constantly updated and the updated file is what you end up downloading - even if a change was approved 5 seconds ago, it'll appear in your download.

Here's the process:

1. Select the type of update you want to perform


2. Fill out the form (in this instance, place a player on loan)


3. See your changes in our LIVE changelist


It's so simple this should have been done a LONG time ago. Here's where you guys come in though. The only way this can succeed is if YOU take part in updating it. If your team signs a player, or releases a player, sacks a manager etc. then you can submit this to the site, and as soon as it is approved you can download the data update to see those changes in your new game immediately.

The more people we get on board, the more up-to-date this will end up.

Download page: http://www.supportsinteractive.com/fm2013-data-update
How to submit: http://www.supportsinteractive.com/library/news/49-supports-interactive-data-update

More here: http://www.supportsinteractive.com/careers/1-imagine/246-getting-to-the-top-table

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Trolling much you Rangers-obsessed twats?

Read More - http://www.supportsinteractive.com/careers/1-no-one-likes-us-we-dont-care/120-dare-to-dream

It was a MASSIVE beach sunset style image, twice as high as the ads that were shown. Didn't look like an ad, just an image.

Any chance the ads can stop masking the stuff down the right hand side? It hides latest post info on the first two forums.

Read more: http://www.supportsinteractive.com/careers/1-no-one-likes-us-we-dont-care/93-beginnings

Read more: http://www.supportsinteractive.com/careers/1-no-one-likes-us-we-dont-care/84-its-time-to-get-thing-started

What a fantastically retarded answer.