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Over Perform 4-1-2-3 - UPDATE
NEW NEW UPDATE

Won the UCL in my 9th season, came third in the prem. I am in the second half of season 11 right now and we are top of the league by three points and are in every single competition as it stands, could be the season I win a league double or treble not sure.

Tweaked the formation slightly on account of two world class players I have. Got a new DM who is best at anchor man, so swapped to this as it seems similar to BWM which i used originally. A striker I bought at 17 with excellent stats has also become first choice at 20 and he is a CF, so changed from F9 to CF and it seems to be working well if not better then the previous seasons, though could be on account of the whole team improving and the new 4.5 star DM I have.


NEW UPDATE -

Got promoted to Premiership in second championship season. Finished second. Has taken me five seasons in total from Conference National. Straight promotions all the way except for championship.

UPDATE -

This tactic 100% is achieving very high levels of over performance. I am now 4 seasons in and so far these are the best results I have achieved in FM since 2016 when I started with this tactic. So far 3 straight promotions into the championship virtually without any money. I expected to be fighting relegation in the championship and actually again, with out even reserve players in certain positions down to lack of funds we are actually 9th 21 games in and have performing incredibly well for our first season.

To put things into perspective Leicester are in the championship with us and have a weekly wage budget of 1.1 million. We have the lowest in the league at 75k.

Pictures to show this promotions and current championship performance attached.

MAIN DESCRIPTION -

I have been playing football manager since Championship Manager 91-92 on floppy disk and decided to share my tactic I have used for the last 3 or 4 years to take teams from lower league to the premiership.

I have got to the premiership and champions league with teams like Wrexham and Coventry over the years, but Barnet are my goto team and I always start with them and try to achieve premier league within 5 or 6 seasons from conference.

The formations main features are full backs with the attacking wingback role who will get forward and overlap and get assists and goals. The wide attacking players are inside forwards who will cut in and facilitate the wingbacks overlapping. Which ever side the ball is on, the opposing inside forward will attack the far post and score a lot of goals from the wingbacks crosses.

In terms of results, as long as you train your team properly, have reasonably suited players in the key roles and man manage your squad well, this tactic can easily get you to the championship without having to change it. I start in the vanarama conference usually so this is my base of reference.

If you struggle to find a roaming play maker or false 9 in the lower leagues, these positions can be changed. I suggest advanced playmaker with support role and target man with support role respectively. You can be a little more flexible with the latter.

I usually always play with positive mentality, however this can be changed to attacking or v. attacking when you need to chase a goal.

The other good thing about this formation is it doesn't really seem to require many signings at all, if any. I always get a few loan players in, however the formation always gets the best out of players and you will see constant over performance on a regular basis.

I have updated the progress at the top now I am 4 seasons in.

Let me know if you need any other tips or advice, or let me know what you think!
Discussion
Will give this a go
Sometimes you have to stand in the shadows; to see the light.



Hope it works for you!
I'll have a try!
I have been playing a season nearly now and to be honest I think I used the wrong formation... lol. So basically I have 3 formations I rotate between and tweak as I move up the leagues. The one I shared the one I use against tougher opposition... slightly tweaked.

Its not the correct one, though the season went ok for me and I am virtually guaranteed promotion the goals were lacking a bit and I hit a spell where I was drawing 2 out of 3 games and finding it a real struggle to win games. I am going to change the file to the correct formation. Apologies to anyone who has been using this so far, it probably won't work as well as the one I am about to upload.
Hi, did you manage to upload the correct formation? Looking forward to giving it a go!
Hi, did you manage to upload the correct formation? Looking forward to giving it a go!


Yes I uploaded the correct formation. When I switched to it in game it made a big difference, we immediately began performing and winning virtually every game. We won the league, starting league 2 now.

Hope it works out for you!
Just a quick update for anyone thinking of trying the tactic. Finished my second season and came second in L2 gaining promotion. Tactic worked great for most of the first half, then come December performances dropped, but we still ground out results. Then in January we couldn't win or score for love nor money and lost five games on the bounce going from 1st in the league to fifth.

The game was prompting me to change my formation to get a win, however I do believe it was mental issue with the squad and also some lazy man management on my part.

Anyway I made some slight alterations and finished strongly missing out on top spot by 1 point. I am not sure whether to update tactic here or not as I started using a F9 as I have a strong player for the role. I will add images of formation and roles in this post along with some pictures for the end of year.

League Table
https://i.imgur.com/TVRM61X.png

Team of the Year
https://i.imgur.com/4I22Bty.png

Current Tactics
https://i.imgur.com/YNJXzQ3.png
https://i.imgur.com/3eZUzEs.png
https://i.imgur.com/jY2JDcK.png
https://i.imgur.com/s81DyfA.png

Star Player
https://i.imgur.com/qgOsVKn.png
https://i.imgur.com/tQ0vU0R.png

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I have written into the main description but after a long break I started playing this save again and have successfully gained back to back promotions to the championship with this formation:

https://i.imgur.com/IQ9RMXY.png

Nearly half way into the first championship season and experiencing extreme over performance, with no money, a 5000 seat stadium and not even a reserve player for every position in the first team. We are currently 9th which is one of my better first championship seasons after back to back promotions from conference.

https://i.imgur.com/cH9KUwD.png

Have updated the main file to now have the main formation I use with False 9. Please read comments for tips tweaking formation to suit very low leagues where competent false 9s and roaming playmakers may not be available.

Please comment if you have any questions and feel free to leave feedback!
Made the prem. Took five seasons in total from Conference National.

https://i.imgur.com/aYU2fHP.png





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So it works in 20.4.0 ?


Has worked for me.
Do you think this would work for a team trying to not get relegated from the Premier League? I have a Leeds save and I've found it difficult to find a tactic that seems to work for my team. I concede a lot and seem to score very little apart from set pieces.
Do you think this would work for a team trying to not get relegated from the Premier League? I have a Leeds save and I've found it difficult to find a tactic that seems to work for my team. I concede a lot and seem to score very little apart from set pieces.


It's hard to say, I mean really you want to have players who can play inside forward and also wing back. So LB and RB with reasonable crossing and dribbling etc. If you are trying not to get relegated and you don't have a transfer window or pre season to train the formation then I can't say 100% if it will work.

In my first premiership season with my Barnet save described throughout this post we started off very similar to what you are describing. Think we went 10 or 11 without a win most of the games being defeats.

I did try a couple of different formations, but it was obvious from watching the games (I always watch comprehensive highlights), that my formation, despite losing, was getting the best performances out of the side.

Second half of the season we actually won a few games and managed to move out of relegation. We finished 14th and our last game of the season was a famous victory over Man City which I think we won 2-0.

Is it your first season in the prem?

I would say if you think you have some players who can fit in then its worth having a go as I do think the tactic gives over performance, but I would always recommend a pre season to train and practice it and get your squad familiar with it. If you don't have that make sure you adjust your training to include a lot more match tactic, and general tactical training until your team have a good understanding of tactic,

I hope this helps you! Please if you do try it, post here and let me know the results! Thanks!
Thanks for such a quick response!

I do have inside forwards and wing backs with decent crossing + dribbling (I do usually use full backs with those sorts of stats anyway). Ill probably have to stick to the 4123 formation because its the only one i really have the players for but I like it. Ill definitely give it a go and fingers crossed it will keep me up.

It is my first season in the prem with Leeds. I got promoted in 2nd, mainly because Fulham who should have gone up kept dropping points near the end of the season. Throughout the season i flipped between tactics but really struggled to find one that worked well for me and since I started the prem season my team has been awful, but I wast quite sure if that was tactic or just having players who weren't good enough. Ill have to use it without a preseason and just see how things go, cant go any worse than they have been so far in fairness.

Also, do you know if the tactic would still work if I changed some of the player roles? I only really have centre backs who can play as ball playing defenders and a less comfortable as central defenders and I also only have dm's who can play as deep lying play makers and I don't have a striker who could really play as a false nine. Do you think I could change some of these or would this mess it up?

Thank you again, Ill be sure to posy the results once I use it
Thanks for such a quick response!

I do have inside forwards and wing backs with decent crossing + dribbling (I do usually use full backs with those sorts of stats anyway). Ill probably have to stick to the 4123 formation because its the only one i really have the players for but I like it. Ill definitely give it a go and fingers crossed it will keep me up.

It is my first season in the prem with Leeds. I got promoted in 2nd, mainly because Fulham who should have gone up kept dropping points near the end of the season. Throughout the season i flipped between tactics but really struggled to find one that worked well for me and since I started the prem season my team has been awful, but I wast quite sure if that was tactic or just having players who weren't good enough. Ill have to use it without a preseason and just see how things go, cant go any worse than they have been so far in fairness.

Also, do you know if the tactic would still work if I changed some of the player roles? I only really have centre backs who can play as ball playing defenders and a less comfortable as central defenders and I also only have dm's who can play as deep lying play makers and I don't have a striker who could really play as a false nine. Do you think I could change some of these or would this mess it up?

Thank you again, Ill be sure to posy the results once I use it


So I would recommend only one BPD personally, but you can try 2 and see how it works. In regards to the DLP, you can try and move the DLP into DM and use a BWM in midfield. For me personally it works best with the BWM in DM, but you can switch the roles about to suit you.

A substitute for a F9 is a target man with support or even a DLF. I think F9 works best with the two inside forwards personally, so next window I would recommend trying to find someone who is capable of playing this role if you don't have anyone suitable.

My advice in regards to formation is to not lose faith and pay more attention to the actual performances and play, rather then results and statistics. For example if you are losing and drawing, but your players are finding their passes well and making chances then likely the formation is fine and the players just need a bit of time to adjust to the steep jump in level at the prem. Like when I was struggling in my first prem season with barnet I tried another formation and it was awful, we literally created nothing and conceded early every game despite the tactic being defensive. You could see the immediate improvement whenever I switched back to my Over Perform formation. I stuck with it and eventually we got some results. Second season and things going really well now with it.

Good luck with it, let me know how it goes or if you want to know anything else!

https://imgur.com/ixNzYdF

UCL winners in 9 seasons!

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Can you name the tweaks that you did for different opposition? Maybe upload all three tactics.
I am doing a Level 10 English database save. I will use your tactic and update you on the progress.
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