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This is what Fergie had to say about Fletchers return.

"He's been out for a long time," acknowledged Sir Alex on MUTV, "and I think the supporters recognise what a difficult time the lad's had.

"That [the crowd's ovation] was a mark of respect to a really honest and tremendous young lad.

"I was pleased for him. He didn't do great but he didn't do badly. Taking into consideration it was his first game for ten months, I think he acquitted himself very well. "



I'm delighted he's back and hopefully soon he'll be pushing for a first team place.
Was there any mention of Hillsborough last night?
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19678295

Thought this was the best place to put it. Think Barthez is actually saying what a lot of people think, but at the moment, Friedel doesn't deserve to be dropped.
By Crane | Permalink | On 21 September 2012 - 20:09 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19678295

Thought this was the best place to put it. Think Barthez is actually saying what a lot of people think, but at the moment, Friedel doesn't deserve to be dropped.

Surely would be better in the Premier League thread?
I really do not get why the media and everyone is kicking off about the chants. It's about a victim complex not the tragedy.
By Obtuse | Permalink | On 21 September 2012 - 21:06 PM
I really do not get why the media and everyone is kicking off about the chants. It's about a victim complex not the tragedy.

Because the media are irresponsible and like to stir things up, playing on the sensitivity of the situation to sell papers with misleading headlines. People aren't bothered about finding out the full story and will just accept what they are told as truth. Very sad.
By jumberto | Permalink | On 21 September 2012 - 21:01 PM
Surely would be better in the Premier League thread?


WHY ARE YOU BULLYING ME?
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Rafael. Our second top goal scorer this season
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We won at Anfield.

Feels like an age since that last happened.

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Fergie should pick Halsey over Webb more often then.

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Rafael's goal was mint.
Vidic is out for eight weeks.

For fuck's sake.
We seriously need to do something about the injury situation at the club.
Always the defenders, always.
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It's almost like your medical department is working for us...
It's the same injury as before, he's had to have another operation on the knee.
Daily Mail are saying Nani has punched Davide Petrucci.
Probably a training ground scuffle that they've blown out of proportion.
By jumberto | Permalink | On 25 September 2012 - 20:54 PM
It's the same injury as before, he's had to have another operation on the knee.


It's not the same injury man, if it was he'd be out for the entire season.
Sorry Mr ACL expert. I didn't say he done the same injury AGAIN, I said it was the same injury as before, as in, he's not fully recovered from it and has had to have another op on it.
By jumberto | Permalink | On 30 September 2012 - 00:34 AM
Sorry Mr ACL expert. I didn't say he done the same injury AGAIN, I said it was the same injury as before, as in, he's not fully recovered from it and has had to have another op on it.


Aren't you a little feisty today?

It will be a clean up due to the surgery for sure!!
Scholes stats were ridiculous.
Scott Red on Twitter this morning:

This season @rioferdy5 has won 94% of his 50-50 challenges.Lescott has won 79%, Cahill 71%, and Shawcross/Jagielka 69%.But Rio is "too old".
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@rioferdy5 has won 82% of his aerial 50-50s. Jagielka has won 78%, Cahill 71%, Shawcross 66% and Lescott 50%. But Rio is "too old".
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@rioferdy5 has been successful with 81.82% of his tackles this season. Cahill 75%, Lescott 71.43%, Shawcross 68.75%, Jagielka 66.67%.
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@rioferdy5 has made a successful tackle every 33 mins this season. Shawcross every 34.Lescott every 51. Jagielka every 60.Cahill every 70.
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@rioferdy5 has made 11 interceptions this season. Shawcross/Jagielka 10. Lescott 5. Cahill 4. But Rio is "too old". #footballingreasons
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@rioferdy5 has been successful with 92.7% of his passes this season. Lescott 92.1%. Cahill 91.6%. Jagielka 82.1%. Shawcross 68.3%. #tooold


Even if Rio got offered to be in the squad he shouldn't, the FA have treated him like shit.
Yeah, because statistics tell the whole story.

Rio is undoubtedly a good defender but we shouldn't be calling on a player who is going to be 35 at the next World Cup, and there's no point playing a guy in the qualifiers if he isn't going to be involved in the actual competition.

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I agree.

Rio has nothing to offer England long term, absolutely no point him being in the team.

I would, however, argue the same for Steven Gerrard who will be 34 by the next World Cup and whose form is dipping alarmingly quickly and Lampard who will be 35 or 36.

But if Hodgson is going to include both of them, then he has no argument not to include Ferdinand.
By Ninja | Permalink | On 05 October 2012 - 17:38 PM
I agree.

Rio has nothing to offer England long term, absolutely no point him being in the team.

I would, however, argue the same for Steven Gerrard who will be 34 by the next World Cup and whose form is dipping alarmingly quickly and Lampard who will be 35 or 36.

But if Hodgson is going to include both of them, then he has no argument not to include Ferdinand.

Agree. Especially the last bit.
Gerrard was one of our best players in the Euros and his lack of pace isn't as exposed in the middle of the park as much as it would be in the heart of the defence. Also, as Gary Neville pointed out, Ferdinand's not been a first-team regular for years and there's little to be gained from bringing him back when he isn't going to first choice. Gerrard's also not had the chronic injury problems that Rio's had over the past few seasons.
By Telegram Sam | Permalink | On 05 October 2012 - 17:50 PM
Gerrard was one of our best players in the Euros and his lack of pace isn't as exposed in the middle of the park as much as it would be in the heart of the defence. Also, as Gary Neville pointed out, Ferdinand's not been a first-team regular for years and there's little to be gained from bringing him back when he isn't going to first choice. Gerrard's also not had the chronic injury problems that Rio's had over the past few seasons.

I find it hard to accept the argument that any of the other candidates for that Centre Back slot are better than Ferdinand to the point that he would be a squad player if he came back. I think he's been consistently the best English centre-back around the past year and he's played a lot of football too.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Ferdinand has played more football than Gerrard in the past year and a half.

I really don't care if he's in the England team or not, I'd prefer it if he wasn't because it will benefit us, but I think it's bizarre that really average Premiership footballers like Shawcross (who, let's face it, will be out of the team as soon as Jones and Smalling are fit) are being picked over a guy who has a wealth of international experience and is in really good form (well, aside from getting violated by Bale at the weekend).

As for Gerrard, I really think he's going to be affected by his declining physical prowess in the next few years. He was never a great passer of the ball, even if he bizarrely compares himself to Paul Scholes, but he was a world class player because of his drive, his ability to drag a team by it's shoulders kicking and screaming to some kind of improvement and his impact at both ends of the pitch. I don't think he'll be able to get around the pitch as much as he gets older, and I don't really think he's got enough technically to compensate when he can't cut it physically any more.

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