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Oh my...
The Burger Ki... I mean, Stevenage shirt on the right honestly looks like it's a Burger King employee's shirt/apron. You can hardly even notice the Stevenage logo with the stripes and the rather sizeable BURGER KING logo going on around it.
I mean, that's not really a sponsorship. That's a downright football kit takeover.
As I thought, FA regulations clearly state a playing kit is only permitted to have "one single area not exceeding 250 square centimetres on the front of the shirt".

Confirmed to be a spoof now anyway,

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Sometimes you have to stand in the shadows; to see the light.

I liked the Paddy Power video initially having a dark blue change kit with 110 Paddy Power logos on the front. That would've been bold to try out. Actual kit as is looks pretty nice.

Certainly better than Stevenage, which I'm guessing their fans wish by this point was a spoof.
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Yeah that's flames

Wouldn't mind copping one of those sash kits though tbfh
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Sometimes you have to stand in the shadows; to see the light.

Hope for Bolton, not so much for Bury. Which is strange given Bolton have debts of around £40mill whereas Bury is more in the £8mill region

https://www.efl.com/news/2019/july/efl-statement-bolton-wanderers-and-bury-fc2 ;

BOLTON WANDERERS


At its meeting today, the EFL Board was appraised of the position in regard to the outstanding information requested in respect of ongoing matters at Bolton Wanderers.


The Board has fully considered the Club’s further submissions and is satisfied that they are sufficient to meet the requirements of the League subject to the completion of formal documentation.


As a result the EFL Board has opted not to suspend their opening day fixture with Wycombe Wanderers and it will remain as originally scheduled on Saturday 3 August 2019 at 3pm.


BURY


Following continued and comprehensive discussions with the ownership at Bury and other interested parties throughout Monday, the EFL Board is not satisfied it has received the necessary evidence in regard to the outstanding information it requires that demonstrates how the Club will be funded moving forwards.


As a result of not meeting Monday’s 5pm deadline, which had been extended on two previous occasions, the EFL Board feels it has been placed in an unenviable position and, regrettably, has opted to take the reluctant decision to suspend Saturday’s opening day fixture with MK Dons under the provision of EFL Regulation 28.2.


In addition, the EFL Board, if not in possession of the necessary evidence by 12pm on Friday 2 August 2019, will make a determination as to whether to suspend Bury’s away fixture at Accrington Stanley on Saturday 10 August 2019.


As has been the case throughout this entire process, the EFL will continue to offer its full assistance to the ownership at Bury, but remains clear that while the League is here to support the Club through some extremely complex and complicated issues, the outstanding matters can only be resolved with the cooperation from the Club itself.

Sometimes you have to stand in the shadows; to see the light.

Hope for Bolton, not so much for Bury. Which is strange given Bolton have debts of around £40mill whereas Bury is more in the £8mill region


Man, I hate to see this happen to a pair of traditional clubs and long time sympathetic underdogs. Poor fans, players, staff and everyone connected. And, quite literally, poor clubs.
Hope for Bolton, not so much for Bury. Which is strange given Bolton have debts of around £40mill whereas Bury is more in the £8mill region

Not that strange - Bolton's cashflow will be so much bigger than Bury's. Say they get 12,000 every week, compared to 3,000 at Bury. Also to do with the fact that Bury's owner appears to be an obstructive so and so who doesn't have a pot to piss in while funding a ludicrous amount of wages in League Two - plus transfer fees (they paid around £500,000 for Harry Bunn 2 years back - a staggering amount of money for a club Bury's size, and he'll have been on big wages for that level, considering he'd just come from our Premier League promotion team). The question is why the hell the FL decided to let him take over when he didn't have the means, but there we go. Bolton's owner is still terrible, but not quite as bad.

I've said for a long time that a financial crash is going to take clubs out. I'm sad to see that prophecy quite possibly being fulfilled with Bolton and Bury.
@terriersmad Don't Bolton have about 6 players in their squad though, half of which are goalies! As a Blackpool fan it is hard to sympathise with two of our rivals, especially when there was a staunch section of Bury fans wishing our demise! However, no club deserves to be so poorly mismanaged. I think the EFL should bring in the German models of ownership where the fans play a more integral role. Of course the Premiership clubs would never agree to it but from League 1 downwards I don't see why not. As you say, I can see a few clubs falling in the next few seasons - may be even a cluster of them together. It's sad to say it is probably what it will take before those useless parasites on the EFL board do something. They were of no help to us.
Sometimes you have to stand in the shadows; to see the light.

The Bury case has been spectacularly bad. It appears the owner got around the rules to take control of all the previous guy's shares for a nominal £1 fee without needing to show the EFL proof that he has the money to run the club, and by the look of it some 8 months on, still hasn't. Slagging off the players and saying they have "too many employees" straight after promotion and the then-players saying they weren't getting paid was bad enough but now rambling missives making reference to "THE INFAMOUS EFL STATEMENT" and the club's fixture suspension just makes him look like a clown.

I'm aware the previous owner spent unsustainable amounts of cash, which doesn't help at all, but it has got to a really bad way that we could be on the verge of an expulsion like what happened to Maidstone & Aldershot in the early 1990s. Even if that doesn't happen, the Fit & Proper Persons Test is going to need extreme revision because this might be the ultimate demonstration it doesn't work.
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Football is back!!!

How is Assombalonga a Championship striker, super lucky with his goal and skies his penalty in tonight's game away at Luton.

Entertaining 3-3 draw though!
Sometimes you have to stand in the shadows; to see the light.

Bury's second game at Accrington Stanley has also been cancelled.

This doesn't make for a good omen if it gets to a "kick out or not to kick out" point. Especially with the owner already putting out a statement in response that starts with "BURY FOOTBALL CLUB HAVE BEEN TONIGHT DEALT A GRAVE INJUSTICE"
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The man is a moron, but for me the blame still lies heavily with the EFL in their fit and proper persons "test".

Elsewhere, great win for ourselves today. The Oystons are gone, Larry is back and with him came just under 12,000 fans to Bloomfield road. Bristol Rovers normally do well against us so glad Spearing actually put in a performance worthy of his captaincy for once and scored the penalty and set up the, somewhat unfairly, disliked Gnanduillet for his goal. The Gas hit the post in each half so we were a bit fortunate but I'm glad all over that the season is back and I can properly support my team again!
Sometimes you have to stand in the shadows; to see the light.

The man is a moron, but for me the blame still lies heavily with the EFL in their fit and proper persons "test".

Elsewhere, great win for ourselves today. The Oystons are gone, Larry is back and with him came just under 12,000 fans to Bloomfield road. Bristol Rovers normally do well against us so glad Spearing actually put in a performance worthy of his captaincy for once and scored the penalty and set up the, somewhat unfairly, disliked Gnanduillet for his goal. The Gas hit the post in each half so we were a bit fortunate but I'm glad all over that the season is back and I can properly support my team again!


Congrats on the new era! Let's hope it's a succesful one. I know you've been waiting for this ownership change for a very long time.
The man is a moron, but for me the blame still lies heavily with the EFL in their fit and proper persons "test".

Elsewhere, great win for ourselves today. The Oystons are gone, Larry is back and with him came just under 12,000 fans to Bloomfield road. Bristol Rovers normally do well against us so glad Spearing actually put in a performance worthy of his captaincy for once and scored the penalty and set up the, somewhat unfairly, disliked Gnanduillet for his goal. The Gas hit the post in each half so we were a bit fortunate but I'm glad all over that the season is back and I can properly support my team again!

Hallelujah! Fans back at Bloomfield - good crowd too.

I took myself off for an afternoon of non-league today. With Town not playing until Monday, I went to Farsley Celtic v Darlington. Decent crowd there - not announced but looked north of 1,500, the majority being from Darlington. This meant the majority of the crowd was grumpy for much of the afternoon, as their side disintegrated in the first half. I can't remember the Darlington keeper making a save all afternoon, but they went in 3-0 down at the break after defensive calamities. The first goal was a great strike, but it stemmed from a terrible clearance, and the second and third goals were all about Darlington not doing the basics. Lost the runners for the second, and the third was the worst defending I think I'll ever see from a really straightforward loopy long throw that they just didn't deal with. Darlington improved after the break, but Farsley were focused and did the basics right, and despite the goal of the game - a 25-yard curler from the angle of the penalty area - Darlington never looked like getting back in it. They huffed and puffed but Farsley didn't make the mistakes Darlington did, and that was the difference.

A thoroughly enjoyable and affordable afternoon out. £13 for admission, programme and a cuppa.
Busy week. Shambles of a performance against Derby rightly saw Derby take the points. Mooy gone on loan to Brighton after signing a new contract. And finally the FA have charged us with misconduct over wearing the kit... which has since gone on to raise over £30,000 for charity.

My feelings on the kit are well known (see above). But once again you'd think the FA had more to do than pick on us for something trivial. And that has raised money for charity. Apparently not. After all, the FA apparently exists only to fuck up the decent clubs and not get involved where there are actual bad things going on - such as helping Bury and Bolton and punishing Derby and Sheffield Wednesday.
It's going to be a long season. Bottom three here we come. Unless we sack the manager NOW. No goals in open play, sitting back and looking lost when defending a lead, no composure, no control, no confidence, no belief, no heart, no fight. He's had 17 games and he isn't up to the task, it's becoming more and more obvious. I'm normally the first to say it's madness to sack a manager, but the longer Siewert is in a job the more likely it is we'll be playing League One football next season.
Nothing seems to change with little old Yeovil! Scored first which was a good sign. But no subs made until we conceded in the 85th minute, lack of depth on the bench, no plan B.
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Another good weekend win away at the seaside, albeit at Southend. Dominated the first half, second half our new signing Husband got himself sent off because he was lazy. Ball dribbled out to corner flag but he couldn't be bothered to follow it at first, so Southend player Cox played got there and bought the red card going down dramatically. Wasn't he best tackle either but think Cox made it look worse than it was. Still, thrashed them 3-1! Fonz has upped his game since we spent money on two good strikers, keeping them on the bench!

Sometimes you have to stand in the shadows; to see the light.

Had Lincoln not beaten us last night it would have been a travesty. Only Ryan Schofield's outstanding shot-stopping kept it to 1-0 - the only player to emerge with credit from that shitshow. But the fault of the players is mitigated by the fact it's mostly the fault of the coach. There's no pattern, no shape, no style. It's a mess. We were second to every ball - a combination of not setting up properly and just not fancying it. We were outmuscled by a side who ran themselves into the ground and who wanted it far more. All the while, the manager just stood there, leaving it as it was when it was clear it wasn't working.

His performance was shambolic. Perhaps we could expect a poor display considering we had 7 debutants, one making his senior bow. But if we had a system as under Wagner, players would have been well drilled in it. We played makeshift sides under Wagner and regularly trounced lower league teams because even though players weren't regulars they knew their jobs and where they fitted in the system. When we murdered Rochdale 4-0 in the FA Cup with a reserve side you could see how each player had just replaced the first choice in their position. None of that now. When it was clear it wasn't working after 20, 25 minutes he just stood there. We brightened up for 5 minutes at the end of the first half, but the warning signs were there before Lincoln took the lead early in the second - and he persisted. Lincoln had made all 3 changes before Van La Parra was brought on after about 70 minutes - 15 minutes after the goal, in a like for like change. He brought on Mounié 5 minutes later but still didn't change the shape, pushing Kachunga wider rather than partnering up with Mounié and going two up top. To top off his in-match performance, Schofield was shouting at him, asking whether he should go forward for a corner. The manager just ignored him.

Post-match, the manager got into an argument with a fan, didn't emerge for the post-match press conference for over an hour, and when he did castigated the players (that he picked and didn't change, average age 22.4), saying how he'd laid into them about how unhappy he was with the performance. All in all, a complete shambles and I'd be surprised - considering there was apparently an emergency meeting of the coaching staff late last night without him - if he was still here come 5 o'clock tonight.
@terriersmad everything I've read about Siewert in his time here points to him being incredibly confrontational I have to say, would be amazed if he lasts the month let alone the season
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Siewert has been fired, with dismissal coming pretty much straight after tonight's loss to Fulham.

Ultimately not a surprise if the above posts provide an indication. Might well have been a better bet to do it at the end of last season but them's the breaks..
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No real surprise he's gone after yesterday's game, both managers have been in charge of their clubs for a similar amount of time but the difference on the pitch was years apart. Fulham look like a proper side with each player knowing where a teamate will be meaning that some of their build up play was brilliant to watch. Huddersfield on the other hand look like a team of strangers, cannot deny the overall effort but as an actual team they're terrible and that's down to the manager/coaching. Whoever takes over will have a tough job on their hands to improve them.
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No real surprise he's gone after yesterday's game, both managers have been in charge of their clubs for a similar amount of time but the difference on the pitch was years apart. Fulham look like a proper side with each player knowing where a teamate will be meaning that some of their build up play was brilliant to watch. Huddersfield on the other hand look like a team of strangers, cannot deny the overall effort but as an actual team they're terrible and that's down to the manager/coaching. Whoever takes over will have a tough job on their hands to improve them.

Absolutely. And the buck stops with Siewert. Though the whole club needs to shake its collective head. He was gone on Wednesday then given a reprieve by the chairman because he'd already picked the team for Friday. It's worse than when we couldn't afford to sack Wadsworth in 2003, and the football we played was on a par. Why would you give a reprieve to someone when his team selections and tactics have lost 14 of 18 matches after he says he's decided the team selection and tactics for the next match?

Siewert's problems were plentiful. I suspect he'll disappear into obscurity in the German youth leagues and never be heard of in this country again. A dreadful experiment at a dreadful time. On the plus side, Chris Hughton is the front-runner it seems. Insofar as we need to go back to basics, he's the ideal manager to do that. Failing that, I wouldn't say no to Nigel Adkins - sorted Hull out in a very similar situation, with perhaps less talent in the team (Bowen aside). Just so long as it's not yet another untried German lower league manager. Wagner was one of a kind - a genuine genius. Siewert was not, and having seen him over the last 7 months I'm amazed he's got as far as he has. One way of playing, no flexibility, far too late with subs, alienated the entire team, never took responsibility.
At this rate Southend Utd will finish below Bury and Bolton ffs 🤔
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At this rate Southend Utd will finish below Bury and Bolton ffs 🤔

Hard to finish below a side that won't even start the season. Though point taken: it's grim.

Our performance last night was grim. It's got to the players. Half of them were in tears at the end. 4 wins in 55, and not through lack of effort last night. Yes, we were, by and large, poor, but the effort was present, the running was there (for the most part). What wasn't there was quality and belief. We rode the storm first half, managed to get back into it and looked to be heading for a draw until fortune favoured Cardiff with a wicked deflection. Had we survived we'd be saying it was a great point in adversity, that we could build on it. But we didn't.

This is a team that needs two things. First it needs something to go for it. A slice of luck, a decision, anything. Last night wasn't the night for that as the bit of luck was with Cardiff at the end. Perhaps more importantly, it has got to go back to basics. We spent most of last night trying to play out from the back, which led to losing the ball in stupid areas and giving away silly free-kicks. The wingers and striker - who are seriously quick for this level - were anonymous. It staggers me that we're not being that little bit more direct. Van la Parra and Grant dropped deep for the ball leaving us with no threat up top. Whenever we play it in to them, it's short balls leaving them with their back to goal - we never make the opposition turn and face their own goal. Bennett was on a booking after about 60 minutes - logic says we have a lightning quick winger up against him who we should put on the shoulder of the defender and play the early direct ball to. But no - we persist with passing it round the back and midfield before losing it after wanting to take one touch too many. The defence also needs tightening up - 7 conceded in 4 league games.

Don't get me started on Mbenza's performance. I'll leave it at 'laziest display I've ever seen'.

As for our transfer business, fuck me. No left back. Letting our best player out on loan. Letting our alternative striker out on loan IN THE LAST YEAR OF HIS CONTRACT. Gambled on unproven kids. We had one chance to build and because we're being run by a load of fucking amateurs (Julian Winter, that's you) we've flunked it. League One sodding beckons.
The end is near for Bury. So devasting isn't it. Shame the likes of City, united, liverpool etc can't all pitch in to save a football club from going extinct!
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The end is near for Bury. So devasting isn't it. Shame the likes of City, united, liverpool etc can't all pitch in to save a football club from going extinct!

Hate to say it, but it's not their job. I agree with the sentiment (especially after the Premier League told each of its clubs to give a £250k golden handshake to Scudamore last season), but if football is to be sustainable they cannot be bailed out by other clubs. The same went for Portsmouth several years ago. The same goes for Bolton. The same went for us when we were in bother 16 years ago, Bradford, Leeds, etc. The problem I've got has been the FL's approach - when Middlesbrough had the gates of Ayresome Park locked in the 1980s, they carried on playing, formed a new company and kept their place. For me, this is a much better approach than the FL's current approach, which will punish clubs and not give them the chance to get back on the straight and narrow.

Though it should also be said that the biggest problem is the owner. Dale has been disgraceful in his treatment of the club and the fans. The role of an owner should be to safeguard the club for the fans and, like another Lancashire owner I could name, he's done the exact opposite. Without him, I don't think this situation pitches up in quite the same way.

I for one will be staying up late to hear what happens to Bury today (despite having a bloody long day tomorrow - Test cricket in the morning, Championship football in the afternoon). I hope for good news.
Hate to say it, but it's not their job. I agree with the sentiment (especially after the Premier League told each of its clubs to give a £250k golden handshake to Scudamore last season), but if football is to be sustainable they cannot be bailed out by other clubs. The same went for Portsmouth several years ago. The same goes for Bolton. The same went for us when we were in bother 16 years ago, Bradford, Leeds, etc. The problem I've got has been the FL's approach - when Middlesbrough had the gates of Ayresome Park locked in the 1980s, they carried on playing, formed a new company and kept their place. For me, this is a much better approach than the FL's current approach, which will punish clubs and not give them the chance to get back on the straight and narrow.

Though it should also be said that the biggest problem is the owner. Dale has been disgraceful in his treatment of the club and the fans. The role of an owner should be to safeguard the club for the fans and, like another Lancashire owner I could name, he's done the exact opposite. Without him, I don't think this situation pitches up in quite the same way.

I for one will be staying up late to hear what happens to Bury today (despite having a bloody long day tomorrow - Test cricket in the morning, Championship football in the afternoon). I hope for good news.

Yeah I completely get that and it not being their job to etc and down the line if this did happen, we'd probably see a lot more clubs put themselves at risk in hope of being bailed out later down the line.

I did hear that we would be unlikely to find out any news until tomorrow morning now as obviously the cut off isn't until 23.59. But who knows. I hope they get the extension at least.
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The end is near for Bury. So devasting isn't it.

They're as good as gone and it's an absolute disgrace.

EFL has stated that "limited progress" has been made in the survival bid.
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