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Love Smalling's reaction to the goal, acts as if it was someone else's fault, dick.
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Oh Hart.

Couple of good saves tonight though.

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Don't think we've actually been that bad.
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I can't remember the last time I managed to stay awake all the way through an England match.
Don't think we've actually been that bad.


We weren't.

Or at least, Germany weren't as good as they could be.

The game was basically decided on the basis that Mertesacker is tall.
Yeah, thought England were pretty good. Lallana, Townsend and Cleverley all had some good touches.


Wasn't expecting Max Kruse to play upfront. Very strange from Low. Germany have sometimes been playing with a false 9, and they have Gotze, Reus, Ozil, Muller, Kroos, Draxler, Gundogan, Schurrle, Sam and Podolski to pick from for the front 4, seems weird playing a quite average guy upfront.
The fact that we played 'ok' and Germany didn't, yet still lost just makes it even worse. World Cup will be a complete embarrassment too, can't wait for the likes of Gerrard to finally fuck off so we can actually have someone in there that passes the ball simply rather than constantly hit it 60 yards out of play.
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Gerrard is a problem because he is a talented player and the captain, but simultaneously doesn't really fit into the system we're going for. Rooney is playing the role behind a central striker like Welbeck, Sturridge or Carroll so there's no space for Gerrard there, he's not mobile enough to be box-to-box (Wilshere on form is better at that anyway) and Carrick is the better defensive player with short passing. We should play Carrick and Wilshere if we're going 4-4-2, but Gerrard is the captain and there's no way Hodgson wouldn't be torn apart by the media if he were to be dropped.
Gerrard isn't good enough for England in his current role but is performing for Liverpool.


They're fantastic!!
@YouveBeenHodged

They're really well done.
I just Saw a Danish national youth team walking around the Octagon centre in Burton-upon-Trent, presumably they are playing England at St Georges Park later?
AHAHAHAHAH Cleverley got an England call up.

Also bizarrely Hodgson has called up as many left backs as centre backs.

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AHAHAHAHAH Cleverley got an England call up.

Also bizarrely Hodgson has called up as many left backs as centre backs.


4 keepers as well!
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4 keepers as well!

I can understand the 4 keepers. He basically will have to pick 3 of the 4 for the WC, with Jack Butland as an outside chance. Taking 4 will give him/the coaches a good look at them.
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What has Smalling, Cleverley, Andros Townsend and Danny Welbeck actually done to deserve being in this squad over people like Aaron Lennon, Adam Johnson and Gareth Barry who have all been outstanding?
Three play for Man Utd and the other is one of the most overrated players this country has ever had.
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Adam Johnson is not good. He scored a lot of goals, but his performance never really improved.
I fucking hate Adam Johnson. Definition of a highlight reel player.

Gareth Barry, however, is fucking outstanding

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Play Gerrard, Hendo and Sturridge with a good defence behind them and were grand
What has Smalling, Cleverley, Andros Townsend and Danny Welbeck actually done to deserve being in this squad over people like Aaron Lennon, Adam Johnson and Gareth Barry who have all been outstanding?


Welbeck's actually been very good when he's been played up front this season, unless I'm forgetting someone obvious then easily the 3rd best player behind Sturridge and Rooney.

Smalling is also normally good to excellent whenever he actually plays at centre back, its just at right back he's shit.

Cleverley is just a down right awful selection, and you've missed the worst one: Michael Carrick has had an appalling season, definition of a player being picked for his reputation.
Sorry but Roy is fucking useless!!
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Welbeck in the semi final of the cup was one of the worst individual displays I've ever seen.

He's horrendous.
Welbeck in the semi final of the cup was one of the worst individual displays I've ever seen.

He's horrendous.


Cos god forbid a player has a bad game, but yeah, he was bad.

He's been quality in basically every other game when he's been upfront this season.

In fact, the similarities between Sturridge at Chelsea and Welbeck at United are so obvious I can't believe people haven't put two and two together with this one.
They're not though, because Sturridge always looked like a greedy striker who was going to score goals.

Welbeck doesn't. He's a decent player but nothing much. Sturridge is closing in on world class.
This thread

Full of hate rivalry and bias. VP hates Townsend because he plays for Tottenham, so he's overrated, assumes because 3 players play for Man United then they're automatically selected, then the Liverpool fan who says Play Gerrard, Henderson and Sterling with a good defence behind them and we'll be "grand" not forgetting the Newcastle fan hating on Adam Johnson because he plays for Sunderland \o/

Nah Vp probably hates Townsend because he's fucking awful.
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