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To be fair LvG said than Adnan decided to go out on loan. Not getting a new striker nor a partner for Smalling were huge mistakes.

We are relying on our youngsters right now. It's worrying.

That being said watching Martial is a delight. A real gem.

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To be fair LvG said than Adnan decided to go out on loan. Not getting a new striker nor a partner for Smalling were huge mistakes.

We are relying on our youngsters right now. It's worrying.

That being said watching Martial is a delight. A real gem.


Nah it was his choice:

I have said to Januzaj that I will give him opportunities in the position of nine and maybe of 10,” van Gaal told reporters. “I have done that and then decided that, no, it would be better for him to go to another environment, maybe he will play more with them than me and we can see if he develops himself.


I think he's since said he was disappointed Adnan chose Dortmund, but it was LVG's decision to let him go.
Not sure how exactly people can defend LVG. More so when he's spent £200m on players and still serves up absolute garbage. In fact, he's spent £200m and made the team worse. Quite the effort really.
Not sure how exactly people can defend LVG. More so when he's spent £200m on players and still serves up absolute garbage. In fact, he's spent £200m and made the team worse. Quite the effort really.


The money spent arguments possibly the stupidest one thrown at LVG. If he'd bought a load of duds, then fine. But he hasn't.
The money spent arguments possibly the stupidest one thrown at LVG. If he'd bought a load of duds, then fine. But he hasn't.

So, it's an okay ruler to use towards other managers. But, when it's aimed at LVG or Man Utd, it's unfair? Glad we've got that cleared up.

Maybe we'll just focus on his inept management instead and how the only movement the club has made is lateral, heavy investment aside. His only saving grace is that they're still somehow 4th in the league because no one's been able to break away and avoid dropping points themselves. That somewhat spares his blushes and probably keeps him in a job, for now.

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Double Post.

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So, it's an okay ruler to use towards other managers. But, when it's aimed at LVG or Man Utd, it's unfair? Glad we've got that cleared up.

Maybe we'll just focus on his inept management instead and how the only movement the club has made is lateral, heavy investment aside. His only saving grace is that they're still somehow 4th in the league because no one's been able to break away and avoid dropping points themselves. That somewhat spares his blushes and probably keeps him in a job, for now.


No its just an abundantly stupid point to make.

There's plenty of things to criticise him for legitimately. But the quality of players he's bought is low down on that list. No manager has a 100% record, but we've generally bought well under him. You can argue that we haven't bought enough, that we haven't sold particularly well. But we've bought well in terms of who we've got in.

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We were absolutely shite today. Watching Pellegrini continue to make the same mistakes - and pick the same under-performing players - is infuriating.

No its just an abundantly stupid point to make.

There's plenty of things to criticise him for legitimately. But the quality of players he's bought is low down on that list. No manager has a 100% record, but we've generally bought well under him. You can argue that we haven't bought enough, that we haven't sold particularly well. But we've bought well in terms of who we've got in.

I don't think anybody's trying to argue against that point. Just that he hasn't got enough out of his players.
Oh yeah I forgot about that LvG quote about Adnan, fair enough. I hope we find a place for him, he'd be handy to have right now.

In regards to money spent by LvG it's £129M net. Obviously a lot but still not as bad as people keep saying. And as Ninja says it's a stupid point to make.

Edit: And yeah he does need to get more out of his players. Really hoping things pick up soon asap, a few players should be back before Christmas. Despite things being bad the criticism of LvG has been way over the top.

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Hernandez wanted to go and he isn't good enough to stand in his way. The first two (RVP and Falcao) have continued to be shite at their new clubs. The real failure imo, was letting Di Maria leave without replacing him, putting ridiculous amounts of pressure on Memphis who pretty much anyone who watched the Eredivise said wasn't ready to be a starter. Relying on Rooney, the overweight drunk, to be our main goalscorer. Loaning out Januzaj to go and sit on a different bench, meaning we're relying on Jesse Lingard who, with the greatest of respect, is not good enough yet. Murdering/Forgetting about Ashley Young who, despite being fairly shit, is at least a body up there. Even fucking Nani would be something!


I'm not saying it was a bad decision in isolation, but allowing Falcao, RVP, Di Maria, Welbeck, Keane, Hernandez, Kagawa, Nani, Henrique, Wilson, Zaha and Januzaj all leave - And replacing them with Martial and Depay - two young players. LvG doesn't seem that eager to use Lingaard, Powell or Perreira either.

Coupled in with LvG will seen Rooney's pre-season, and will have decided he didn't want to play Wilson. You could argue Martial playing out of his skin early doors has kept Man Utd from crisis

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I'm not saying it was a bad decision in isolation, but allowing Falcao, RVP, Di Maria, Welbeck, Keane, Hernandez, Kagawa, Nani, Henrique, Wilson, Zaha and Januzaj all leave - And replacing them with Martial and Depay - two young players. LvG doesn't seem that eager to use Lingaard, Powell or Perreira either.

Coupled in with LvG will seen Rooney's pre-season, and will have decided he didn't want to play Wilson. You could argue Martial playing out of his skin early doors has kept Man Utd from crisis


That's quite a weird list. Of players that wouldn't make a difference whether they were here or not (Keane, Henriquez, Wilson, Zaha, Falcao) and players that left an awful long time ago (Kagawa, Welbeck) and he's absolutely eager to use Lingard (I assume you mean him rather than Lindergaard, who left this summer) who's started in our last 10-11 games (apart from Leicester away when he was injured), Powell (who's had a very long term injury) and Pereira.

The one thing you can't blame LVG for is not giving kids chances, he's done it all season with all players. Could Wilson be here and provide cover? Yeah, but its definitely better for him to be playing and scoring and we've got a recall clause on that one. Should we have replaced the players that left? Of course, but I can understand the club wanting the right player rather than any one and not buying if that person/people wasn't/weren't available. What we were looking for, though, beyond a big name, is anyones guess.

We were absolutely shite today. Watching Pellegrini continue to make the same mistakes - and pick the same under-performing players - is infuriating.

I don't think anybody's trying to argue against that point. Just that he hasn't got enough out of his players.


Absolutely, but he should be getting more out of his players, full stop. Not just the ones he's spent money on. I think from an outside perspective we've put together the best squad we've had for a while, and I include Fergie's last title winning team in that too, and just need a few players to finish it off. In that sense, I'm happy with what he's spent, and don't think its money wasted (unlike £28m on Fellaini for example), in that sense I can see the progression, and the next manger shouldn't need to come in and rip everything up and start again.

I still think LVG's done the basic remits of his job very well, I'm no longer sure he's got the ability to lead us to the next stage (i.e. challenging for the title) but he's stabilised the club and put us back on the right track. Could he have done it better and faster? Maybe, but hopefully its done.

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That's quite a weird list. Of players that wouldn't make a difference whether they were here or not (Keane, Henriquez, Wilson, Zaha, Falcao) and players that left an awful long time ago (Kagawa, Welbeck) and he's absolutely eager to use Lingard (I assume you mean him rather than Lindergaard, who left this summer) who's started in our last 10-11 games (apart from Leicester away when he was injured), Powell (who's had a very long term injury) and Pereira.

The one thing you can't blame LVG for is not giving kids chances, he's done it all season with all players. Could Wilson be here and provide cover? Yeah, but its definitely better for him to be playing and scoring and we've got a recall clause on that one. Should we have replaced the players that left? Of course, but I can understand the club wanting the right player rather than any one and not buying if that person/people wasn't/weren't available. What we were looking for, though, beyond a big name, is anyones guess.


For a side going into the season aiming to be fighting on three fronts until January - Rooney/Mata/Martial/Mephis/Young is nowhere near enough as senior players.

It's fair enough offloading the young players if they're not good enough or ready. But they needed some bodies in to replace them. And I'm not really buying Lingard, Pereira and Powell were part of the plan. He debuted Lingard on the opening day of last season and then loaned him out - He's almost 23 - and I don't know if he;s been injured but only turned up in October this season. Likewise Powell and Pereira have had very limited pitch time so far.

And aside from McNair (and maybe Lingard) - Blackett has probably gotten the most minutes of any of the new younger players - and then he's gotten rid of.

The squad building just seems wrong.

For a side going into the season aiming to be fighting on three fronts until January - Rooney/Mata/Martial/Mephis/Young is nowhere near enough as senior players.

It's fair enough offloading the young players if they're not good enough or ready. But they needed some bodies in to replace them. And I'm not really buying Lingard, Pereira and Powell were part of the plan. He debuted Lingard on the opening day of last season and then loaned him out - He's almost 23 - and I don't know if he;s been injured but only turned up in October this season. Likewise Powell and Pereira have had very limited pitch time so far.

And aside from McNair (and maybe Lingard) - Blackett has probably gotten the most minutes of any of the new younger players - and then he's gotten rid of.

The squad building just seems wrong.


Well he's on record saying he's trimmed the squad precisely so the young players got a chance. So why it might not have been a plan for Lingard specifically, it was obvious he'd be a beneficiary from it. And its Powell thats been injured. Tbh, I have no idea why he's playing him now, either, he said about a week ago he's nowhere near fit and now he's throwing him on in games. Screams of desperation.

Lingard's an odd one, but he's breaking onto the scene when he was expected to, quotes from last year:
Lingard added: “He [Ferguson] sat down with me and my dad when he was manager and said that I’d probably be ready for the first team at 22. If I can get there before then though, that’ll be great.”
He was out for about 3/4 months after that Swansea game with a knee injury and when he came back we'd moved on from the 3-5-2 (thank god) so a loan made sense.

I think the feeling at the club is his body type meant he'd develop later, I don't think anyone expected him to start this much, but he's been reasonably impressive and earned his place. Helped by the fact Young's out of favour for something or other.

And Blackett's shite, he was shite last year, and he's on loan at Celtic being shite, too. He'll move down to the Championship next season if he's lucky.

I agree, in that he's cut too much too fast, but I think the actual plan is solid. Its just, rather typically, a strict dogmatic adherence to the greater plan. If you're not good enough to fit the philosophy (Hernandez, Nani etc...) you're out. Whereas the sensible solution would have been to keep them around until that right player is available.

And the greater irony is that of all the players we've let go we still have to put up with Young, Valencia, Fellaini, and Rooney.
Villa look like they're making a serious challenge for Derby's worst points total.
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Coloccini back on familiar form I see. Arsehat.
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Christ on a bike Cisse has been awful.

We've not been as bad as I feared we would be tbf, but its not been the most productive performance.
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Oh dear Liverpool, they just can't play at home!
Sometimes you have to stand in the shadows; to see the light.

Horrible challenge on Lovren that!!
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Lol Newcastle above Chelsea.
Holy fuck

At 70 I was so confident it would remain 1-0 or possibly see Spurs nab 2. Maybe I was right to feel a tiny bit confident we could take a reward from this one.
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Bloody hell Spurs if you produce a performance like that when you have the chance to go 4th, it ain't looking too promising.
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'GET IN WE JUST DROPPED 2 POINTS AT HOME TO WBA'
Jesus. So fucking cringey.

Imagine if Rodgers did that, but as its Klopp it's acceptable.

Embarrassing.
That was by some distance the worst performance of the season, can't remember the last time we gave the ball away so much. A performance and result like that has been coming for a while now though, the whole "Spurs haven't lost since the opening day" thing that pundits keep mentioning has just been papering over the cracks. Thats 3 losses in a row at home to Newcastle, laughable really. Only positive is Chelsea dropping down a place nearer to relegation.

Bloody hell Spurs if you produce a performance like that when you have the chance to go 4th, it ain't looking too promising.

We do it all the time, nothing unusual about that.
Villa look like they're making a serious challenge for Derby's worst points total.

Seeing more and more 'supporters' on FB saying things like 'at least we will win a game or two in the Championship' No way in hell this current squad is good enough to come back up automatically. The morale of the club is just at rock bottom.
Liverpool out Arsenaling Arsenal there. At least the players looked embarrassed.


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