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Lucjan Brychczy's DOB changed from 1934 to 1970 in game when I applied Data Update files. He's also has a wrong age in his Sortitoutsi FM20 Database profile (42 instead of 84, despite having the right DOB in FM19 database) as you can see here: https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-2020/staff/710469/lucjan-brychczy

Here's my editor data folder
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this is what can be done via our online editor mate, no option to change his D.O.B.
thanks for pointing it out to us I will tag @Footygamer see if there is anything he can do as you say he was correct in FM19,
Very strange
if you just want this changed send me your save game I can do this for you

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This seems to be a bug in game @Kos88

I have ran a test without our live update files, checked in the editor prior and he shows as being the correct age his DOB is 13/06/34

yet in game it is 22/04/73

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I suspect it could be due to the his old age. Perhaps there's a bug that people over a certain age aren't 'allowed' by the game and so their date of birth is reset when a certain age is reached
This seems to be a bug in game @Kos88

I have ran a test without our live update files, checked in the editor prior and he shows as being the correct age his DOB is 13/06/34

yet in-game it is 22/04/73

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Thanks, no need to change Thought it was very strange. It depends on the number of leagues that are playable. when I run it with just polish leagues and 2 Bundesliga it was fine. But once you create a new game with almost 125k players the bug occurs.
Thanks, no need to change Thought it was very strange. It depends on the number of leagues that are playable. when I run it with just polish leagues and 2 Bundesliga it was fine. But once you create a new game with almost 125k players the bug occurs.


Report it as a bug to SI it is very odd
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A Mexican footballer named Andres Iniestra is listed as the Golden Foot Award Winner in 2014.
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no such award in the editor, those 2 show and are golden boot awards?

and why do you think this has anything to do with our live update as we dont edit anything like that mate?

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Hi all,

just a quick question - it seems several loans that in real life are in place until the end of June, are being terminated on the data update - Schurrle @ Spartak and Kurzawa @ Esbjerg come to mind. In reality both of these players are at their respective loan clubs until the end of the month - does teminating loans prematurely somehow make further edits easier or something?
Hi all,

just a quick question - it seems several loans that in real life are in place until the end of June, are being terminated on the data update - Schurrle @ Spartak and @ Esbjerg come to mind. In reality both of these players are at their respective loan clubs until the end of the month - does teminating loans prematurely somehow make further edits easier or something?


https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-data-update/player/91002405 only just checked this and you are wrong Schurrle has not had his loan cancelled the update submitted has clearly not been approved it shows disabled

Kurzawa is now changed back

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so no issues here also going back to your post prior re Golden boot award you still havent answered why you think this issomething to do with the live update?


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https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-data-update/player/91002405 only just checked this and you are wrong Schurrle has not had his loan cancelled the update submitted has clearly not been approved it shows disabled


Yes but as I saw this happen on several players on loan (submissions terminating their loans prematurely being approved, and submissions trying to reinstate the loan being disabled) I was curious as to the reasoning. On a semi-related note, I sent you a DM about live updates, would appreciate it if you let me know your thoughts
also going back to your post prior re Golden boot award you still havent answered why you think this issomething to do with the live update?


Yes shouldn't have posted that here as it has nothing to do with the data update - it's likely one of the editor files that corrects awards, etc.

Yes but as I saw this happen on several players on loan (submissions terminating their loans prematurely being approved, and submissions trying to reinstate the loan being disabled) I was curious as to the reasoning. On a semi-related note, I sent you a DM about live updates, would appreciate it if you let me know your thoughts


take that up with the mod who approved anything like that



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Why Werner is on Chlesea? He should have future transfer like Banega

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@Mateee ?

Some people write to me to move him to Chelsea now and the other people to make him a future transfer. Given that July 1 is already in 10 days I decided to move him now to Chelsea. In 10 days you have to do it anyway.

Some people write to me to move him to Chelsea now and the other people to make him a future transfer. Given that July 1 is already in 10 days I decided to move him now to Chelsea. In 10 days you have to do it anyway.


I think this poses an interesting question. I think it is fair to say that most people who use the data update provided by this community will do so for new saves that will often start in July 2019 (default pre-season start date for most countries in FM20). Given that data updates are updated 'real-time', or as close to real-time as possible, this poses issue like the one mentioned above with Werner and for keeping things 'realistic'.

I understand people pointing out that players contracts are sometimes prematurely terminated from teams as we approach their end of contract dates i.e. Hakimi's loan to Dortmund is currently approved as terminated on our data update, but in reality the player is with the club until June 30th, while Werner has been transferred to Chelsea on our update but remains with RB Leipzig until he switches to Chelsea on July 1st in actuality, etc. I also understand @Mateee's point in saying well we will have to make these changes in a matter of days anyway, so why not do them now?

Just putting this out there for discussion, but as a way in trying to achieve a balance of workload for mods and honoring the 'realism' that we all seek to maintain, would a potential option for data updates be to follow the 'future transfer' model? As Kingrobbo did for the transfer of Pedro to Roma (https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-data-update/player/1510305). Would ensuring all player transfers to only happen following this model be an improvement on the current way of immediately transferring players for new saves?

Doing transfers this way will ensure that the data update will still maintain realism for new saves as once we start a new save players like Werner will be set to join their new clubs on X date as opposed to prematurely being a part of the team, players can be set to 'leaving on a free' at the end of their contract as opposed to just being set to 'released' i.e. Zabaleta (https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-data-update/player/951034), Sanchez (https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-data-update/player/78011012) and Ngakia (https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-data-update/player/28116533) are all free agents on our data update, when being set to 'leaving on a free' on June 30 2020 would be more accurate and reflective of real life situations.

I will leave feedback on the intricacies of whether or not this can be done to the mods/experts but just wanted to throw this out for discussion really and see what the community think.
just for users to be aware we are finding issues/bugs with changing a person who has retired as a player who then became a non player and now has come back out of retirement to be a player again- eg Robben IRL is going to be a player at FC Groningen
for the 20/21 season

I have tried to resolve this by using just the pre game editor and it is bugged at the SI end so not a lot can be done at this stage

tried changing him to be a player that was bugged player/non player same result setting up future transfer too all with the same result, did have some joy just putting him directly in their squad but he had no contract in game(even though I set one for 2 years in the editor) and he couldnt get a work permit so not going well
lots of the changes in the editor are showing as failed and some of the ones that worked still dont show up in game

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There are two Tayvon Gray's on New York City.
There are two Tayvon Gray's on New York City.


Once again mate what makes you think this is to do with our update ?? as you can clearly see there have been no changes to him made in our live update
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just for users to be aware we are finding issues/bugs with changing a person who has retired as a player who then became a non player and now has come back out of retirement to be a player again- eg Robben IRL is going to be a player at FC Groningen
for the 20/21 season

I have tried to resolve this by using just the pre game editor and it is bugged at the SI end so not a lot can be done at this stage

tried changing him to be a player that was bugged player/non player same result setting up future transfer too all with the same result, did have some joy just putting him directly in their squad but he had no contract in game(even though I set one for 2 years in the editor) and he couldnt get a work permit so not going well
lots of the changes in the editor are showing as failed and some of the ones that worked still dont show up in game

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I've tried this with my own database and I had the same issues.

On another note - have you tried tampering with the English leagues for the promotions and relegations? Obviously League One had 23 teams in this season due to Bury's demise but it goes back to 24 next season. However I read somewhere that it's very hard to change it without bugging the game out completely.
I've tried this with my own database and I had the same issues.

On another note - have you tried tampering with the English leagues for the promotions and relegations? Obviously League One had 23 teams in this season due to Bury's demise but it goes back to 24 next season. However I read somewhere that it's very hard to change it without bugging the game out completely.


The issue with promotion etc will be looked at once season has been finished and if anything is released regarding it(sure there will be) it will be in this forum-
https://sortitoutsi.net/forums/category/212/official-sortitoutsi-data-update-discussion

I havent looked at it personally yet but I know there are several sets of rules for league 1/2 in advanced rules
without having a good look a set of rules would have to be made allowing say 4 teams to go up from league 2(as a one off 19/20 season) and no relegation from league 2 however the knock on would be the non league structure would have to be changed to so sounds fun
other option is The league will operate with 23 teams for 2019–20, with three teams being relegated to League Two for the 2020–21 season, rather than the usual four think we need to see what is actually going to happen IRL and perhaps this needs its own thread in the linked forum as its not relevant to this thread really
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not an error, but has anyone else noticed that when starting a new save with the recent update, Zlatan Ibrahimovic is ALWAYS set to transfer to Inter on a free on 1/1/2020?
NEC Nijmegen
Edgar Barreto new at the club and signed a contract till 2021 with option 2022
Dirk Proper signed contract till 2023
Bart van Rooij contract till 2022
NEC Nijmegen
Edgar Barreto new at the club and signed a contract till 2021 with option 2022
Dirk Proper signed contract till 2023
Bart van Rooij contract till 2022


Submit them to the live update

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