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Anyone else finding it quite amusing how bad Everton are doing considering every single pundit for some reason predicted them to be brilliant this season based on them spending a lot of money.

That's probably because a majority of the pundits we have over here are boring idiots. It's like all of them and Everton didn't pay any attention to Spurs and Liverpool flopping after spending huge money and failing to replace their best player.
Huddersfield defend like us.
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Anyone else finding it quite amusing how bad Everton are doing considering every single pundit for some reason predicted them to be brilliant this season based on them spending a lot of money.


They're poor yep and playing pretty dour football, which is unacceptable after spending £140m (regardless of the money they got for Lukaku).

Spurs could win this game by whatever score they want.
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Huddersfield defend like us.

Nah, we're not that bad. And only spent £4.3m on our central defenders combined

To be fair, we didn't play badly. Just got overawed. We had a go and came up short - better to have a go trying to win than just sit back waiting to get beaten. It's a lesson Wagner will take on board - no doubt we'll see a different game plan against Manchester United in 3 weeks.
Burnley are the real deal.
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Koeman is the worst manager in the Prem imo
Blimey that Joselu goal was ludicrously fortunate.
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Amanda Stavely in the crowd.....No thanks
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Once again the most over hyped game in English football bores us all to death.
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Liverpool are so waistful in attack...
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Should have won that. Saying that I would have taken a 0-0 before the game, and we played fairly well. Not sure why he took Coutinho and Salah off, even if they were fucked, looked like only ones doing anything.

So about that high boot on Can...
What a shit half. Luiz all over the place again. He has been shit this season.
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Had a feeling Palace would score today but didn't expect them to be ahead at the break..
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Had a feeling Palace would score today but didn't expect them to be ahead at the break..


Think they will win unless Conte manges to get us playing. Don't think that will happen though,.
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As if playing against the referee was bad enough, we've just shot ourselves in the foot. Should be leading, but conceded a truly catastrophic goal through Lössl's individual error.

Need to up it. Swansea are there for the taking.

I have to add, I want to know how the fuck the man stood in the middle is onside. He steps over the fucking ball coming back from an offside position to leave it for Abraham. He's 8 yards out. It's offside. You can't argue otherwise. He's in the keeper's eyeline in front of goal, he's interfering. Fucking stupid linesman. Fucking stupid law.

And now it's two. Shite.

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My pessimistic nature meant I was sure Palace's first goal and/or points might come at St. James' next week... in hindsight goals today was probably more likely given how football usually works.
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No urgency with getting back into the game. We're unlucky to be two down but haven't really bust a gut to get back into it. Not looked like scoring other than VLP's clip off the crossbar. Nothing going into the danger area. No incision in the passing.

Watch us turn Man United over next week now. They're due a stinker - we're due a goal.
Think they will win unless Conte manges to get us playing. Don't think that will happen though,.


Think he needs to look at his training regime. Another player limped off with a hamstring injury, think that makes a fair few now there with the same injury and if FM has taught me anything...

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In other news, fair play to Guardiola. I was one of those who thought he was overrated and I don't mind saying I was wrong. Of course it makes it easier when you go to the top clubs in leagues but you still need to bring it all together and he seems to have done that for City. I'd still like to see how he'd do at a club like Stoke, but I'm pretty sure that will never happen. After City I imagine it'll be a big Italian club, but that could be a long time away yet.
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I can understand how a referee watching at full speed got it wrong. I can understand that after 2 minutes they don't want to show a player a red where there's doubt. But when you see it again, that assault by Fer on Lössl is one of the worst challenges I've ever seen. He looks for his man, jumps needlessly and then quite intentionally smashes his hip into his face. It's incredibly dangerous, ridiculously forceful and absolutely deliberate. It's appalling. Compare it to the two Carroll challenges for which Carroll rightly received his marching orders - Fer actively looks for Lössl and deliberately hits him while Carroll, whilst leading with an arm dangerously, doesn't actually look away from the ball at any point. As I say, not something you see live, but on the replay it's absolutely clear.

The referee overall has had a shocker, though. There's that, then there's the foul for Ince which should further reduce Swansea's manpower. Ince is away before he's brought down. Olsson is the last man, in the centre of goal, 20 yards out, with Ince all but running free onto the clearance which is under his control. It's baffling how it's not given. One touch later, but for the foul, and the ball could be in the back of the net. We've had a few now where the opposition have benefited from dubious officiating, but nothing's gone our way in terms of game-changing decisions. To be on the wrong end of 3 in one match away at relegation rivals is galling to say the least.

And the goal is offside. Running back from an offside position, he steps over the ball as it runs through. Not sure how that's not interfering, being active or whatever. He's a striker 10 yards out, if he's not interfering what's he doing there, and how is he not creating an advantage when the next touch is in the back of the net? The offside law is a nonsense these days. Simple rule: if you're closer than fewer than two opponents, you're off. As it is, we can see things like that with a question mark over them. We can see players be offside for a whole move, get back on for the final pass and score - they get an advantage in positioning all along, it's bollocks is this active/passive thing. Benefit to the striker in terms of positioning, but I've seen strikers (Grant Holt) be 10-15 yards offside for a whole move before popping up to score. You see defenders intervening and playing in players who were off when the first ball was played, precisely because they know of the striker's presence and feel they need to make an intervention, only for the striker to not be off because it's in a 'different phase' which bears no relation to reality. It's rubbish. Absolute rubbish.
Newcastle's historically shit record at Southampton meant a point is something I would've taken before kick-off, but I didn't bank on leading twice, or Fraser Forster having an utterly dreadful game, or the Saints attack being pretty lethargic throughout. Still, its not a loss.

The penalty was a weird one - Lejeune did make contact with Long, so that alone isn't contentious, but there's a subtle kicking the ball out of play from Long before the contact that indicates more intent to get that as an advantage from a not-irredeemable situation. But then the referee made more erratic decisions, so... meh.
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DeAndre Yedlin should've been dismissed in the second half though, the referee bottled it.
Newcastle up for sale.
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Not really a surprise given the more sustained recent takeover talk. But as happened in 2009, we might need to wait and see if it actually happen. And indeed if they're an improvement.
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Not really a surprise given the more sustained recent takeover talk. But as happened in 2009, we might need to wait and see if it actually happen. And indeed if they're an improvement.


That's the thing. Ashley is rightly hated, but some god awful owners have somehow found their way into English football in recent years and completely ruined clubs.

If you get good, sensible new owners with a bit of money, and keep Rafa, you'll be on the up.

Elsewhere, WBA 1-0 up at Leicester. Why did they give Shakespeare the job permanently.....

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Seen the Fer challenge from a reverse angle. My God, it's a shocker. Ref blind side, to be fair to him, but the FA has to take some action - it's at least a 6-match ban. Fer's watching Lössl for the best part of 10 yards. Lössl picks the ball up with Fer quite a distance away. With Lössl having had the time to pick the ball up and gather it in, Fer then jumps into Lössl, raising his right knee into Lössl's face, some 4 feet off the ground. It's a completely disgraceful assault.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4zBScWOqEY From 1:31.

When you consider the outcry against Stephen Hunt when he broke Petr Cech's skull, you've got to consider this an order of magnitude worse. Unless you're called Paul Tierney.
That's the thing. Ashley is rightly hated, but some god awful owners have somehow found their way into English football in recent years and completely ruined clubs.

If you get good, sensible new owners with a bit of money, and keep Rafa, you'll be on the up.

Elsewhere, WBA 1-0 up at Leicester. Why did they give Shakespeare the job permanently.....


They haven't anymore.
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Leicester are an absolute joke, what were they expecting Shakespeare to do with their fixture list at the start of the season? Absolute mickey mouse club
That's the thing. Ashley is rightly hated, but some god awful owners have somehow found their way into English football in recent years and completely ruined clubs.

If you get good, sensible new owners with a bit of money, and keep Rafa, you'll be on the up.

Elsewhere, WBA 1-0 up at Leicester. Why did they give Shakespeare the job permanently.....


He's kept prices down reasonably down - and we'd be in a much worse state that if he never bought it (He was probably the only possible buyer in 2008 - because he didn't do proper due diligence)

Really can't see any sale happening - I think Ashley is still owed £159m - I think no will buy it at with that outstanding - and the fact Ashley has had to put out at a statements suggest no one is interested.

As an aside - has any takeover ever worked? Out of the clubs sold in the last decade Newcastle's was a success - Sunderland, Villa, Portsmouth, Coventry, Blackburn, Liverpool (Hicks), West Ham (Iceland), Fulham were brought to their knees by unsuccessful takeovers.

Liverpool (FSG), West Ham (Gold&Sullivan), Arsenal - haven't really kicked on - and I'm pretty sure they're fans are eager for a takeover.

And even the successful ones like Swansea and Palace have seen the owners become seen to be clueless and despised by the fans despite large success.

Leicester's owners never actually put that much money in, nor did Bournemouth's, and Southampton seem to have most of their success after Liebherr died. That Everton guy has put some money in - but without success so wouldn't be shocked if the fans started insisting he needs to sell up as they deserve better.

Chelsea and Man City are obviously different as they are built around buying legitimacy - and the football is secondary.
Its almost as if buying a football club with a view to making money is absolutely bonkers.
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