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I prefer the real thing. People alter images a lot here and it's not fot the better of it. But thats my opinion.

I think a lot of people would prefer if you do it, remember that the pack is for everyone who download it.

It's not a lot of work, it would take you max 5 minutes.

But, of course, noone can force you to do so.

Edit: I can fix the lighting on your cut myself, if you let me?

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I think a lot of people would prefer if you do it, remember that the pack is for everyone who download it.

It's not a lot of work, it would take you max 5 minutes.

But, of course, noone can force you to do so.

Edit: I can fix the lighting on your cut myself, if you let me?
No point in asking when it already gets done. Besides that everybody is free to edit anything, no matter if it looks better. That's why I stopped doing requests and only upload cuts for my personal use.

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For some reason my PC not allowing me to save images from UEFA website for cutting. Is there anyway to get these images of Rangers?

https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/season=2019/clubs/club=50121/index.html

I know Rangers are not usually in the FM game so these images seem ideal if can be accessed. I've tried the way to obtain them through firefox but no joy.
For some reason my PC not allowing me to save images from UEFA website for cutting. Is there anyway to get these images of Rangers?

https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/season=2019/clubs/club=50121/index.html

I know Rangers are not usually in the FM game so these images seem ideal if can be accessed. I've tried the way to obtain them through firefox but no joy.

The best way I've found is to right-click on the image in this page, then opening image in a new tab, which takes you to the 324x324 image. I use Chrome, not sure if that makes a difference.
The best way I've found is to right-click on the image in this page, then opening image in a new tab, which takes you to the 324x324 image. I use Chrome, not sure if that makes a difference.
Cheers Mons. I just oddly enough tried that and it worked a treat! Celtic images are on UEFA site too but they usually have images in the game. I tried Chrome already as they worked for others but Rangers images not showing on my Chrome search of the site.


Cheers mate.
hi guys
at the moment im trying to improve my cut-out technique and was wondering how you guys pick up fine hair using the quick selection tool , as you can see from the image below the marching ants around the cut are rounded and dont seem to pick up fine hair that well in the tool selection box i have size , hardness,spacing percentages and was wondering if there are better variables i could use ??

https://i.imgur.com/c6YWl5e.png

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@StaffMan, have you tried using Vertus Fluid Mask?
@StaffMan, have you tried using Vertus Fluid Mask?

keep meaning to look in to fluid mask , might purchase a copy
keep meaning to look in to fluid mask , might purchase a copy

I believe there's a trial version available before you take the plunge. It makes things so much easier, especially with the tiny, fiddly hair details
Been using Fluid mask for the last week to make my cuts. Stil haven't got used to all short commands and such, but really enjoying it so far. Highly recommending it! Allthough I would still suggest new cutters to use some of the other methods first, just to get just to photoshop, since there is still som work to be done

Yup Fluid Mask is good, however I actually purchased an old CS4 version of photoshop so I could continue using ExtractPlus plugin which is fantastic (despite having the latest Photoshop lol.) For me it's still the most effective way of extracting hair on less than ideal backgrounds. I can't remember who, but someone posted a while back on the thread a good guide on how to get the best out of the new refine edge tool....might be worth checking that out @StaffMan

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I think it's linked to in the OP, @Rowan, although I'm not sure whether it's the one you're referring to or not...
@all cutters

I'm having some trouble cutting sources that doesn't have a single colored background. What's everyone's approach to cut a source like this?https://image.ibb.co/maC9iV/53101401.jpg

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@krissmed, using Vertus, I would manually select the strands of hair to include and the sections of the background to exclude. Not the easiest and quickest of tasks in a source like this tbh...
@krissmed, using Vertus, I would manually select the strands of hair to include and the sections of the background to exclude. Not the easiest and quickest of tasks in a source like this tbh...

Thanks, I'll give it a go. If I don't get a decent cut, it would probably be best to let someone else do it

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@krissmed, using Vertus, I would manually select the strands of hair to include and the sections of the background to exclude. Not the easiest and quickest of tasks in a source like this tbh...

I must've been using Vertus wrong because my results with it were really subpar. I've been using Photoshop's refine edge for the basic selection and the brush tool to remove the inevitable snow/fill in bits it missed, which isn't very quick either...
I must've been using Vertus wrong because my results with it were really subpar. I've been using Photoshop's refine edge for the basic selection and the brush tool to remove the inevitable snow/fill in bits it missed, which isn't very quick either...

Way back in the day, I used to use refine edge and, if memory serves, I found it much less intuitive than vertus. I tend to get some very decent results with vertus on poor sources with multi-coloured background (or so I like to think, anyway!) I guess it's down to personal preference really

That said, a source like this is a nightmare to cut, whichever way you go about it
Personally, I find it quicker and easier to just zoom in to 1200% and go at pictures like this with the pen tool. It's not the best but it's better than faffing around for half an hour trying to clean up dirty extractions.

http://i67.tinypic.com/11azj3c.png


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Personally, I find it quicker and easier to just zoom in to 1200% and go at pictures like this with the pen tool. It's not the best but it's better than faffing around for half an hour trying to clean up dirty extractions.

http://i67.tinypic.com/11azj3c.png

I still can't get used to your name change

It looks perfectly fine to me that way as well. More than one way to skin a cat

FYI @krissmed
Personally, I find it quicker and easier to just zoom in to 1200% and go at pictures like this with the pen tool. It's not the best but it's better than faffing around for half an hour trying to clean up dirty extractions.

http://i67.tinypic.com/11azj3c.png

Wow, thanks. How long did this source take you? I can't really see myself using half an hour on sources like this.
https://i.imgur.com/474bbhq.jpg
This took less than 10 minutes, although I've been using the pen tool for cuts like this for years now. It does takes a bit of getting used to with controlling the strokes but once you get the hang of it it's easy as.

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@Wallace81 @mons
I've tried both methods and I got a fairly similar resualt:
With Vertus:https://image.ibb.co/mnVJef/751769.pnghttps://image.ibb.co/eFkUkL/13485.png
With pen tool:https://image.ibb.co/b9QZKf/47023094.png
Here are the original sources:
https://preview.ibb.co/mCpYC0/47023094.jpghttps://image.ibb.co/dpWfs0/751769.jpghttps://image.ibb.co/j4R25L/13485.jpg


I find vertus easier to use on sources with a lot of hair detail, while the pen tool were easier to use on sources without beard and minimal hair detail. Wallace, do you have any tips for something with more hair detail, like this:
https://image.ibb.co/frn9kL/53027787.jpg

@mons you can save these to the MP, I'll have another crack at them and see if I can get a better result, although it'll be for the next update. The filenames should be UID. 53101401 is the UID on the one that Wallace did.
https://i.imgur.com/474bbhq.jpg

The hair on this one has missing bits that need to be filled in again, I had that issue a lot with my Vertus attempts
The hair on this one has missing bits that need to be filled in again, I had that issue a lot with my Vertus attempts

I know, I don't really know how to work around that without it being a hassle
https://i.imgur.com/474bbhq.jpg
I know, I don't really know how to work around that without it being a hassle

With the method I used, I applied the Vertus cutout as a layer mask to the source layer, then brushed in the missing bits. Alt-clicking on the layer mask in the layers panel shows it as a pure black-and-white mask which makes it easier to see which parts need filling in
With the method I used, I applied the Vertus cutout as a layer mask to the source layer, then brushed in the missing bits. Alt-clicking on the layer mask in the layers panel shows it as a pure black-and-white mask which makes it easier to see which parts need filling in

Thanks, it helped a lot. Not really the easiest source to deal with
https://image.ibb.co/nEj3vL/13485.png
https://i.imgur.com/474bbhq.jpg
I find vertus easier to use on sources with a lot of hair detail, while the pen tool were easier to use on sources without beard and minimal hair detail. Wallace, do you have any tips for something with more hair detail, like this:
https://image.ibb.co/frn9kL/53027787.jpg

For that pic I would do a half and half, extract the top and pen tool the bottom.

In general though the same as before, just get in to all of the gaps with the pen and if it looks a bit holey fill in the gaps with a touch of clone stamp and history brush to make it look more natural. If he still looks a bit daft after all of that then I tend to just give out hair cuts and trim beards. The vast majority of people playing the game don't know what the source picture looks like and as long as they look reasonably natural they won't mind too much if you chop a bit of mullet off or a few rogue strands of hair to make it happen.
A quick example of the type of thing I would do with the clone tool using the cut above.

http://i67.tinypic.com/2cdfujr.png
I know, I don't really know how to work around that without it being a hassle

For missing details after vertus you can use a history brush. As a source select image before deleting background. On a bright transparency background you can see were bits are missing, I use bright green. Then paint with history brush anything you need.
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