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Discussion
It looks like the below is the favoured option for now, but I want to hear more feedback before making it official
  • Have 2 standard sizes: 180x180 and 250x250.
  • Leave the existing images be – no resizing.
  • Everyone should strive to make all the new cuts in the larger size, but if good source images simply are not available, 180x180 will do as well.
In the meantime, wherever possible, I'd like all cutters to start cutting in 250x250 where the sources allow. Should we not go down that road, it'll be easy enough to resize them down to 180x180...

I'm still not at all a fan of the idea personally. A lot of the packs I've released recently have been clean-ups of SI cuts, where the originals at 250x250 are messy and not cropped correctly to the chin and top of the hair, so by cleaning the snow and scaling down to 180x180 the results usually end up pretty good, while with the new resolution I'd either have to scale up the images and lose image quality, or they would not be cropped correctly.

Also, I tend to release packs for a lot of major teams with sources from the Premier League and UEFA websites every year, and the new resolution would mean all of these sources would likely be unworkable as they would have to be upscaled (and therefore not worth cutting). I know that it is not priority to cut new images every year and that this is only a personal preference of mine (where I strive to make new cuts at least of equivalent quality to the existing megapack image if it's not a clear improvement), but up to date images in the megapack for major teams are always regularly requested meaning they are at least in demand, and this would be made more difficult at the new resolution.

Finally, stylistically I'm not keen on the inconsistency that would be caused by mixing image sizes in game, for example seeing half of the players in your team with a smaller image and half with a larger image, and while this would become less of a problem over time I think the transition period would be a good few years at the very least for even the bigger name players to have 250x250 improvements, let alone the majority of the 200,000 images in the megapack.

Of course I won't be throwing up a fuss if the changes go ahead as I recognize all the positives and will strive to work at the new resolution where possible, just thought I'd put in some more thorough input
Also, I tend to release packs for a lot of major teams with sources from the Premier League and UEFA websites every year, and the new resolution would mean all of these sources would likely be unworkable as they would have to be upscaled (and therefore not worth cutting). I know that it is not priority to cut new images every year and that this is only a personal preference of mine (where I strive to make new cuts at least of equivalent quality to the existing megapack image if it's not a clear improvement), but up to date images in the megapack for major teams are always regularly requested meaning they are at least in demand, and this would be made more difficult at the new resolution.

For Premier League im using MB Picture
Championship and using Firefox change size

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Yeah I use sources from here where possible too, but unfortunately not every team (Crystal Palace, Huddersfield, Stoke etc) has proper portrait images available there, only from the Premier League or their own websites. Hopefully that's not the case next season!
I'm still not at all a fan of the idea personally. A lot of the packs I've released recently have been clean-ups of SI cuts, where the originals at 250x250 are messy and not cropped correctly to the chin and top of the hair, so by cleaning the snow and scaling down to 180x180 the results usually end up pretty good, while with the new resolution I'd either have to scale up the images and lose image quality, or they would not be cropped correctly.

Also, I tend to release packs for a lot of major teams with sources from the Premier League and UEFA websites every year, and the new resolution would mean all of these sources would likely be unworkable as they would have to be upscaled (and therefore not worth cutting). I know that it is not priority to cut new images every year and that this is only a personal preference of mine (where I strive to make new cuts at least of equivalent quality to the existing megapack image if it's not a clear improvement), but up to date images in the megapack for major teams are always regularly requested meaning they are at least in demand, and this would be made more difficult at the new resolution.

Finally, stylistically I'm not keen on the inconsistency that would be caused by mixing image sizes in game, for example seeing half of the players in your team with a smaller image and half with a larger image, and while this would become less of a problem over time I think the transition period would be a good few years at the very least for even the bigger name players to have 250x250 improvements, let alone the majority of the 200,000 images in the megapack.

Of course I won't be throwing up a fuss if the changes go ahead as I recognize all the positives and will strive to work at the new resolution where possible, just thought I'd put in some more thorough input

That was my initial concern, too. And I'm not a big fan of having two different sizes, either, but it's infinitely better than resizing the existing cuts upwards which would be a mess to see.

But there is literally no difference at all in the game between how an image in 180x180 and an image in 250x250 is displayed. The only thing you'll notice is that the higher resolution image looks a little bit crisper. There may be some skins which display the player face in the dimensions in which the image is produced, but the default skin and the various pages in-game do a pretty good job of standardizing image size. You might say: "if there's no difference, then why bother changing what has worked for so long?", and you'd have a point. But with SI providing their cuts in 250x250 format, it's very much possible that there may be changes coming in the way faces are displayed which would impact this pack and how it displays in-game.

In this manner, default SI cuts and other poor-quality sources could happily co-exist with the relatively large amount of HQ sources presently available, with relatively little visual impact in-game. I mean, look at this cut or this source, or any number of excellent sources I'm sure you've managed to get your hands on in the past - they just look better in 250x250 and it's a pity to not utilize sources like that at a slightly bigger resolution. It's a pity also, granted, that the potential of God knows how many good sources were not maximized in this manner, but I believe it'll be something which will inevitably get overcome in the months and years to come.

At the end of the day, it will still remain the cutter's prerogative to decide which size they finalise their cut in, and it's not like this change will give any extra work at all to cutters; it'll just be case of resizing the cut to 250x250 or 180x180 once finished, depending on the source quality...
Since there does not seem to be any major objection in principle, I am proposing that from this point on @ducc's proposal is to be followed; namely:

  • Have 2 standard sizes: 180x180 and 250x250.
  • Everyone should strive to make all new cuts in the larger size, but if the source image is simply not large enough, 180x180 will do as well.

  • I hope that everybody will follow this new system as much as possible so that the overall quality of the megapack continues to keep improving. I have seen that some cutters, but not all, are following this system already and I would like everybody to do so in the coming days.

    I will leave cutters to deal with sources as they wish, we're all adults after all, but I personally think it would be a pity if some of the excellent sources being requested are cut in 180x180 when 250x250 would also be possible.

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    Hi everybody,

    I did not answer the debate because English poses me some difficulties.
    But I translated the whole discussion

    Ok for the proposal of @mons

    250x250 for the good sources
    180x180 for bad sources

    Let's go
    Hi everybody,

    I did not answer the debate because English poses me some difficulties.
    But I translated the whole discussion

    Ok for the proposal of @mons

    250x250 for the good sources
    180x180 for bad sources

    Let's go

    That's it - excellent
    Hi Mons,

    For some time that did not make cut out, so the news is to do in the new format 250x250 instead of 180x180? What will be considered the proper resolution to do in 250x250 and 180x180 or
    It's up to the cutter choice?

    https://i.imgur.com/BJVQXjM.png https://i.imgur.com/nsf1hSs.png
    Hi Mons,

    For some time that did not make cut out, so the news is to do in the new format 250x250 instead of 180x180? What will be considered the proper resolution to do in 250x250 and 180x180 or
    It's up to the cutter choice?

    https://i.imgur.com/BJVQXjM.png https://i.imgur.com/nsf1hSs.png
    If the quality of the source is good enough use 250x250, otherwise use 180x180
    Hi Mons,

    For some time that did not make cut out, so the news is to do in the new format 250x250 instead of 180x180? What will be considered the proper resolution to do in 250x250 and 180x180 or
    It's up to the cutter choice?

    https://i.imgur.com/BJVQXjM.png https://i.imgur.com/nsf1hSs.png

    I can't see the images from imgur as it's blocked by my work's firewall.

    In addition to what Swedie said, if you have to increase the size of the cut for it to be in 250x250, then it's probably best you leave it at 180x180
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