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Boris? Jeremy? Nigel? Jo? Nicola? C'mon let's hear your voices & opinions!

Jo got bashed pretty bad at Question Time. #carcrash
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I don't want to vote for any of them

(I will still vote though, anything is better than Tories).
Sometimes you have to stand in the shadows; to see the light.

Looks like it's going to be a Torries landslide...
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Looks like it's going to be a Torries landslide...


Even with them selling the NHS? Surely even staunch Tories can't get behind that...? Oh wait, they followed Boris into Brexit too...
Sometimes you have to stand in the shadows; to see the light.

Even with them selling the NHS? Surely even staunch Tories can't get behind that...? Oh wait, they followed Boris into Brexit too...


Problem is all candidates seem weak at the moment. None seem credible nor strong. Which is why sadly I feel many will vote Torries although I'm hoping the Lib Dems would be able to prevent a total majority.
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Y'all are fucked
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I'll see you


Pretty much, unless you're pretty well off!
Sometimes you have to stand in the shadows; to see the light.

Genuinely never been more upset at an election, had to take the day off work cos I was just in tears all morning. A big tory majority is gonna really hurt a large portion of my family.
I'm pretty angry anti-Brexit MP's didn't fight harder for a second referendum, because the numbers indicated by this ballot look to me that it might have snuck a win - looking at the totals, the Tory vote is just under Labour/LD combined, and while it unquestionably would've been close when everyone else is in, it looks to me that's how it would play out. Obviously its hard to speculate, even with concrete numbers, but that's how I interpreted it, even if it probably would've been similar to the last one being split by less than 4%.

It was really fucking obvious the Remain vote was going to be divided into more options than a leave vote because they would just have the Tories at their beck and call and ready to pounce, and they fell for it. The Lib Dems pushed hard for this ballot in particular, thinking they were on to a win and it just blew up in their faces. I'm aware the SNP were - looks to me like they were ready to try and throw English Remainers under the bus to get independence.

So I think there's going to be resentment from this side for years, which is only going to increase from the Brexit side if it ends up being a disappointment/disaster.

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I'm pretty angry anti-Brexit MP's didn't fight harder for a second referendum, because the numbers indicated by this ballot look to me that it might have snuck a win - looking at the totals, the Tory vote is just under Labour/LD combined, and while it unquestionably would've been close when everyone else is in, it looks to me that's how it would play out. Obviously its hard to speculate, even with concrete numbers, but that's how I interpreted it, even if it probably would've been similar to the last one being split by less than 4%.

It was really fucking obvious the Remain vote was going to be divided into more options than a leave vote because they would just have the Tories at their beck and call and ready to pounce, and they fell for it. The Lib Dems pushed hard for this ballot in particular, thinking they were on to a win and it just blew up in their faces. I'm aware the SNP were - looks to me like they were ready to try and throw English Remainers under the bus to get independence.

So I think there's going to be resentment from this side for years, which is only going to increase from the Brexit side if it ends up being a disappointment/disaster.


Having a second referendum without enacting the first, would have meant a leader making the unprecedented decision of being the first to ignore a democratic vote. The result was conclusive England overwhelmingly wants Brexit and you're Maths mean nothing. Labour were not standing as a Remain Party, some loyal Labour voters are still leavers and you have no clue how many. Boris got the second biggest vote in a UK Election ever in December a massive triumph. If the masses were as badly off as McDonnell (the main driver of the massacre Labour suffered) made out even with Brexit the Conservatives wouldn't have won.
Having a second referendum without enacting the first, would have meant a leader making the unprecedented decision of being the first to ignore a democratic vote. The result was conclusive England overwhelmingly wants Brexit and you're Maths mean nothing. Labour were not standing as a Remain Party, some loyal Labour voters are still leavers and you have no clue how many. Boris got the second biggest vote in a UK Election ever in December a massive triumph. If the masses were as badly off as McDonnell (the main driver of the massacre Labour suffered) made out even with Brexit the Conservatives wouldn't have won.

There was a stat the other day suggesting the majority of potential Tory voters who would have voted Remain in any second referendum were still going to stick with the Tory party despite that party's pro-Brexit position, which I reckon is a haul that got them over the line in a lot of Remain-voting seats in the South but which could've made things more interesting in a referendum context. I never said I assumed it would win - I agree there were still a fair wedge of Labour voters that back Brexit, and there's still people who didn't vote that may still want to just to say they still believe in it. But I don't think it was impossible Remain could've won a second ballot, even with that angle of "denying democracy", which is a great one for attack ads. Its more that they didn't try to even force it - it was always "now is not the time" when voting on a deal vs Remain was even something supported by some Leave voters in focus groups.

Instead you get an election where the Remain vote split more, and it was unlikely to stand a chance - even less so as Corbyn and the Lib Dems have big-time baggage, and in a few seats got in each other way. The tightness indicates they might've had a shot, although it probably still would've been very difficult. But its irrelevant now.

On the basis we've had a vote that has changed the make up of the House of Commons to an undeniably more pro-Brexit Parliament, all we can say now is that if Brexit doesn't happen next month, something very odd will have taken place.

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Get a half and half pizza, one half pepperoni one half cheese, if only one person wants the cheese they get half a pizza, if four people want pepperoni then they're getting an eighth each. Throw in the brexit party diluting the vote even further and really the tories were always going to win, it was just a case of how many.

Thing that peeves me even more than the fact the referendum wasn't even binding, is that a party can lie continuously, avoid the media, smear other parties and shout "BREXIT!!!" repeatedly and get in power with a landslide. And that's after the little tidbit on page 48 of their manifesto saying "After Brexit we also need to look at the broader aspects of our constitution: the relationship between the government, parliament and the courts." Also worth noting that Boris is quite keen on the idea of the PM being untouchable by the supreme court, which doesn't sound very democratic to me personally.

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Get a half and half pizza, one half pepperoni one half cheese, if only one person wants the cheese they get half a pizza, if four people want pepperoni then they're getting an eighth each. Throw in the brexit party diluting the vote even further and really the tories were always going to win, it was just a case of how many.

Thing that peeves me even more than the fact the referendum wasn't even binding, is that a party can lie continuously, avoid the media, smear other parties and shout "BREXIT!!!" repeatedly and get in power with a landslide. And that's after the little tidbit on page 48 of their manifesto saying "After Brexit we also need to look at the broader aspects of our constitution: the relationship between the government, parliament and the courts." Also worth noting that Boris is quite keen on the idea of the PM being untouchable by the supreme court, which doesn't sound very democratic to me personally.


agree with you mate
regarding democracy the whole thing is stacked in favour of the tories thus the constituency set ups

the people need to wake up!!!

for democracy you need PR and each vote cast in the land is treated the same
based on this manufacture system it makes it almost certain that 1 party in particular will come out on top or very close to being top

votes cast just the 'top' parties show how the election certainly is not democratic

a party in a 'democracy' with less votes than Labour/Libs combined has 150 more seats ???LOL

hell even with SNP added to Lab/Libs they have over a 100 more Mps its a broken system, British people need to wake up and see what is glaringly obvious the system is rigged
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every vote should be counted across the country and parties allocated seats based on that...now thats democracy

last night Labour and Libs got smashed in terms of seats ......yet put the total votes cast for these 2 parties together and its more than the tories yet under the great UK democracy that = 150 less seats...strange that , democracy my arse

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makes me feel sick looking at that graph the MSM are in rapture at the glorious Tory win yet no one .. no one dares ask the real questions because it would result in real democracy and we cant have that

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a brief calculation on what the outcome would have been with PR and votes cast per party = allocated seats

total votes cast in 2019 to main parties 30.4m approx

Between the main parties it would roughly result in this outcome (and IMO when you get a fair system where people know their vote for a 'smaller' party isnt wasted as it is now in the first past the post, more votes would be picked up by the Libs/Greens etc)

This would obviously change slightly as some of the allocation of sets is skewered for Scotland/N.Ireland but the outcome wouldnt be much different
the big gains would be the middle ground the difference is massive from 11 to approx 80 WOW

302 Cons
223 Lab
80 Lib Dem
28 SNP
13 Green
4 other
Good Moaning

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Maybe the majority of the Brits were already fed up with all this Brexit nonsense & just want to get it over with? Boris Johnson may well go down in history as the worst & most inept PM ever but thing is he offered the most simplest of manifesto for this election which was "Get Brexit Done". Jeremy Corbyn & Labour were in favor of a 2nd Referendum which in my opinion would just cause more chaos. However I strongly believe that a 2nd Referendum would see the Remain vote win. If & if Leave wins again, we're set for another round of talks & discussions of a new deal with the EU. Either way, it would be a good 6 months to a year for Britain to become stable again if a Remain vote won & longer still if Leave won again. Jo Swinson & the Lib Dems on the other hand offered nothing but a plain & simple cancellation of Brexit which as many Brits have unkindly pointed out that she is blindly ignoring those that voted to Leave. Her early ambition of wanting to become PM also hinder their chances overall. She rightfully lost her seat due to the way she has approached the elections. Nicola Sturgeon & the SNP were the other winners of the election but I believe a 2nd Referendum for Scotland to become Independent will not happen because of Boris's big majority & the way he'll go about doing his business as PM.

So like it or not, I believe that many Brits voted Boris because he offered the quickest way to resolve this Brexit issue. Whether he'll sell the NHS, US or destroy the UK economy or become Trump 2.0, I don't think for a second many Brits cared. Hence many of those who were on the fence voted for the Conservative.

My conclusion is this, many Brits on the whole just want to "Get Brexit Done"
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Great breakdown of it @kingrobbo, totally agree that the system is complete bollocks. And what @Eugene Lee has said, yeah a lot of people are fed up with brexit, but a fair whack of people (mainly the ones under 50, I don't think I've spoken to anyone over 50 who wants to remain) want it to just be scrapped, so we can just carry on and pretend it never happened.

I'm too tired from work to go into mass amounts of detail as to why the whole thing is a mess, but ultimately we've been shafted by Cameron harder than that poor pig.
Great breakdown of it @kingrobbo, totally agree that the system is complete bollocks. And what @Eugene Lee has said, yeah a lot of people are fed up with brexit, but a fair whack of people (mainly the ones under 50, I don't think I've spoken to anyone over 50 who wants to remain) want it to just be scrapped, so we can just carry on and pretend it never happened.

I'm too tired from work to go into mass amounts of detail as to why the whole thing is a mess, but ultimately we've been shafted by Cameron harder than that poor pig.

great analogy there mate LOL

bottom line Britain thinks it a democracy yet its still being governed by the establishment public school boy elite
wont change until the public wake up
Brexit is complete lunacy its based on lies and false jingoism fueled by the BS spouted by the glove puppets in the MSM
some people will make a fortune out of it and it wont be the great British public
Good Moaning

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The conservative way was to brand Corbyn a racist (which people fell for, and also completely voted based on candidate rather than party.. again), and to claim that labour was going to abolish democracy. And of course to get Brexit "done".

A large part of the conservative party are elitist and also more than a little bit racist, certainly Boris Johnson is, again he wants to rework the "relationship" with the courts to give the PM untouchable power (hm that's weird), and "Getting Brexit Done" is basically going to be like cutting off your hand to get rid of a splinter, we're not gonna get a good deal out of it because the conservatives think it's too much pain to negotiate, and they're not thinking about how much of a pain it's going to be just cutting off from the EU... bloody hell it goes round in circles we're shagged.

Brexit wasn't even a legally binding referendum, it was basically a "what do you think?" based on a word and a notion.

I'm just waiting for the protesting to begin now.
Agreed 100%

Oldest trick in the book don't look at what I am accuse someone else and then with the help of your mates in the media ......

Oh and avoid any hard debates etc

It's unbelievable
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I worry what sort of precedent it sets. You can lie blatantly, not give any interviews so you can't be scrutinised, smear and belittle the opposition... And it'll get you a win.
yep we can see it and most other people can too..... but a lot are in denial thay dont want to hear the truth they much prefer the jingoistic BS
Good Moaning

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You know, I was just wondering if all this would be different if David Cameron hadn't resigned as PM & actually stayed on an saw Brexit through. I've always felt that if Cameron had stayed on as PM, Britain probably would've been out of Europe already & not be mired into this whole mess. To be fair to Ms. May, she tried her very best but she often look weak & undecisive in Commons & Brussels. Her decision to call for a snap elections also hurt her cause. Boris on the other hand had dreamt about becoming PM for ages. The thing about him is that prior to becoming PM, he had offended & hurt quite a few people in the past whether its with his actions or statements. Thus, even before he came into power, people already had the preception that he was going to be a poor PM. Plus least we forget that he changed his stance on Brexit.

In my personal opinion, David Cameron was elected & reelected as PM without the Brexit issue, which shown the high level of faith the public has in him & his plans for UK. So I personally feel that he would have handled Brexit in a better way & would have gotten home from Brussels with a better & stronger deal.

Now that Boris has been reelected & with a strong mandate to boot, I guess we just have to live with it & pray hard that he manages to avoid being eaten alive by the rest of Europe once trade & immigration talks begin.
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