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Have you seen this yet?

Manchester United are leading the way and demonstrating how the sport of football - once equally everybody's game, a "global language", a healthy sport, a dream job and inspiration of youth all around the world, an actual culture somewhat bigger than the sum of its parts, and of course a huge business as well - is being sold from under us.


https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2020/05/22/manchester-united-are-suing-football-manager-developers-over-use-of-their-name/#more-836997
Excerpt:
"As big sports organisations are wont to do, Manchester United are getting touchy about the use of their name. The English Premier League have filed a complaint against Sega and Sports Interactive for the use of the team’s name in the Football Manager series. They take issue with how the series may “benefit from an association with the club’s winning culture and its brand values” without actually forking over cash to licence the team’s crest."


Hold on.
“benefit from an association with the club’s winning culture and its brand values” Wait, their what? Is that... self irony?

Another source (and my response to it below it):
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/news/man-united-sues-management-simulation-game-over-use-of-name/ar-BB14sS1b



This is absolutely pathetic and completely against general football culture and fandom. (I'm talking about football the sport, not the sleazy business that's hijacking football little by little as our sport is being sold away from us, the supporters, amateur players and followers, piece by piece.)

Also, this quote: "Sega and SI “encouraged” the use of downloadable patches containing replica trademarks which are supplied by third parties, Malynicz said."

That is utter nonsense. Even if it were the case that SI wanted to encourage people to download these "replica trademarks" they would never dare actually officially do so. This is just lawyer-talk, i.e. turning a thing into something else just by saying that is the case. No need for evidence, no need for facts.
The lawyers are like: Okay, we know some people do create these custom club logos for their communities (free of charge, with no financial gain, fair and square, just like PC games have been always modded...) so let's declare that SI are urging people to do so. Yeah, that sounds efficient! Let's just say they are responsible of that and let them try and clear their name and prove their innocence. That is not how fair and just legal debate/negotiation is done. It just tells me the club has opted for certain types of lawyers to handle their "case" - the bloodhounds that go for the results, damn the actual truth. Ever seen "Better Call Saul", by the way?

I'd say Manchester United (oh, can I even use their registered name here at all, or should I pay them, say £100 a pop for it?!) have taken a lead in the one-club competition of becoming the most greedy and petty football club in the world. Might as well, since that'll be the only World Club Cup they'll be lifting for a long time. Greedy anti-supporter/anti-football-aficionado moves like this are one more piece of evidence and indication of the current turbulent era at the great club with proud history - now reduced to a ship steered by money, lust for instant short-term results and lack of football knowledge instead of vision, patient planning and long-term investments. MU is not my club, but I do feel bad for their fans.

Also, which is more profitable - both in terms of money and in terms of the amount of followers of the sport of football - for big clubs like Manchester United, destroying football-management-related games or allowing people all over the world to manage Manchester United in a football management game? The answer is childishly simple, and yet, people who should know more about football than a very low level life-long amateur player and football aficionado like myself, are clearly leading their legendary crown ship through the biggest storm in the post-Ferguson era blind in the night, without any sense of direction.

Sad. It's just sad.

(For the record, as I mentioned, I am not a Manchester United fan, but yet I do not hold any kind of animosity or jealousy towards them outside this particular licence issue, and in the actual realm of football I have always sympathised them and wished them well in continental competitions etc.)


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Yeah, maybe we should just cut the whining club that wants to isolate itself from everyone else out of every football game out there.

It's a shame, since FM is a simulation trying to be as authentic as possible, where as FIFA is an arcade football game morphed into a gambling machine. (I wish I didn't have to put down FIFA, I remember when I was a kid and enjoyed playing it, but that was long before the legendary player cards that you may or may not be able to find in your loot box if you're super lucky... sigh. Just writing that makes me so somber.)

Now, a game such as FIFA might be, or might have already been, interested in making some special deals with big clubs and paying for their involvement in games and, I guess, loaning a bit of their "winning culture and its brand values” to sell some more in-app purchases and what-not, but to demand a similar monetary payment as a kind of a deal from a sports simulation game... Geesh! To compare the two is not that simple.

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One more thing, this time specifically addressed to the administrators of Sortitoutsi.net:

I do not know whether the subject in question is a controversial one in some official way. I would hope not, as I can't see non-abusive discussion over the current news posing any issues.

However, if the discussion I started in this thread proves somehow inappropriate or against some special rule that I am not aware of, I understand if you were forced to remove my comments. I'd only ask you to please, inform me about it and not slam me with an official personal warning for something that was not written in foul language, did not maliciously attack anyone etc. I'm not trolling here, and I do seriously mean that, with utmost respect.

Thank you!
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/may/21/manchester-united-net-debt-increases-by-1274m-to-4291m-in-a-year-financial-results-coronavirus

The above may explain why the below is happening ££££££££££

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/may/22/manchester-united-sues-football-manager-makers-over-use-of-name

modern football aye sorry modern business they and their like will try to exploit the covid situation too I have no doubt about that
I agree with your posts mate the debt is rising and would love to see them and some of the 'elite' take a massive hit it would be karma
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Oh well, another reason to despise Man Utd.
I am baffled by the actions of United on this. Juventus also signed an exclusive deal with an arcade style football game but they did not sue FM, they simply asked for their IP not to be used. No hard issues there. United went down a different, more confrontational, pathway for some strange reason. I for one hope SI end up renaming the team to Newton Heath with yellow and green colours and be done with it. United don't want to be in FM anymore, well good for them.
Just edit to “Scum”

Hopefully heading into admin
Yes or worse
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got to go full monty on them IMO

They even stopped the cheapskate guys a few years back I kid you not

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article14062699.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_Panini-Man-Utd.jpg

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/resources/images/9481491?type=responsive-gallery-fullscreen

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look at the logo above ...thats what they deserve in game now with made up silly name/players and stadium etc etc
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