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Franck
ianbaker
I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite.
Fantastic
Franck
Been too busy returning videotapes.
The Platypus
Fantastic
It is one of the most difficult books to read though, the actual writing is a fucking pain to work through, but intentionally so. I took me about two years to finish it.
Franck
I don't need to read the book to know that.
The Platypus
Fantastic
But among a lot of people he holds a kind of anti-hero status. But for me, there's nothing redeeming about him, nothing he does or says has any merit.
I couldn't find the scene on the internet, so here it is in all its glory.
Fantastic
I just find it really difficult to read in terms of the actual language structure. Entire pages with no paragraph breaks, aimless description, meaningless interaction. It's brilliant because that style is so deliberately used to desensitise you to everything that happens in his life, to show how fucking pointless everything is. But it's still a really frustrating read.
Franck
The fact that Bateman's narcissistic tendencies are meant as a parody and criticism of such behaviour passes over the head of many and that's where his anti-hero status stems from. His fetishistic obsession with himself and his own appearance appeals to people who share that obsession.
No-one in their right mind would ascribe any anti-hero status to the brain-eating, chainsaw-wielding, prostitute-murdering side of Bateman showed in the film.
The Platypus
Hibee
Around halfway through you do find yourself skimming the paragraphs describing what the dozen folk in a meeting, party etc are wearing.
Phoenix Arrow
Is that the right Bateman? Love that film. need to get around to reading the book.
American Psycho though as a film/book/concept makes me feel unwell. I'm in a weird position with horror and gore. I can watch a horror film and I'll enjoy it. Put a shit slasher film on and I'll turn off. I'm not saying American Psycho is a shit slasher film, I admire Ellis and an author and whatever and I completely get the point, but when you take away everything, the film really doesn't have any redeeming features. It's about a guy who kills people in extravagant fashion for no reason. There's no real suspense, no real mystery, nothing like that. He just kills them, Then goes to a cocktail party or some shit. I get the idea behind it but it's not for me.
The Platypus
It's more of a satire/comedy than anything else.
Phoenix Arrow
The film doesn't have gore in it particularly., it just seems a bit pointless. I get the intent behind it but I don't get the purpose... look I'm trying to make sense but it's not working. It's been a long day. I'm sorry. All I'm saying is I liked Rules of Attraction and Less Than Zero more.
The Platypus
Eric Portapotty
The Platypus
Why not?
Justicar
My favourite bit was the massive section about business cards.
Obtuse
Fuck off. Just fuck off. Not even I am old enough to give an OP like this. You superficial cunt, fuck off and die. You pathetic hipster wanker, fuck off and draw up on OP that is unique to you and not something that has been planted in you.
How can you not see how fucking retarded your OP is in 2013 (a whole 30 years later)?
Phoenix Arrow
I mean you are on a wind up this time, right? Even if you're not aware of the reference, you must've read the rest of the thread?
Franck
Just for the sake of how fucking funny it'd be, I'll just assume that he was oblivious to the reference.
Obtuse
I do not. I am somewhat inebriated and pissed at some of the mongols on this forum (excuse the irony)
Franck
Obtuse
Hibee
Phoenix Arrow
Mr Willy
Franck
The book is good though, I'd rate it as a 4/5.