Grand Theft Auto V

Im half tempted to just avoid everything that comes out about this from now on, want it all to be a complete surprise. Not done that with a game for years

Impossible

Impossible

you spelled cunt wrong.

I hope they do something good with it. It hasn't been great since 2.

It hasn't been great since 2.

I felt I needed to type that out, try on what it feels like to be a moron. The second is a decent game, if you compare it to the first. But the third, Vice City, San Andreas, the fourth... fuck the PSP games are markedly better games than the second. I've seen you argue some retarded points in your time (people being reflective over the death of Michael Clarke Duncan) but wow... so explain to me how the second was the last time the series was good.

Well firstly you and others were (and still are) wrong about MCD as other came in and also said.

As for GTA... Well they had the basic game but didn't really improve it much considering some of the clones have put out a better product with better controls.

GTA3


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What exactly did Saints Row bring to the table? It basically just took San Andreas (the worst GTA game) and slightly turned up the ridiculousness. Rockstar were smart enough to realise that they wanted to bring the franchise in another direction, and really, Grand Theft Auto is the only game series that consistently brings the audience an even remotely smart/mature and also funny gangster crime story.

It has its problems, as does every game series, but it's still miles ahead of any other game of its type.

What exactly did Saints Row bring to the table? It basically just took San Andreas (the worst GTA game) and slightly turned up the ridiculousness. Rockstar were smart enough to realise that they wanted to bring the franchise in another direction, and really, Grand Theft Auto is the only game series that consistently brings the audience an even remotely smart/mature and also funny gangster crime story.

It has its problems, as does every game series, but it's still miles ahead of any other game of its type.

The city is more vibrant, the side quests are more engaging, the city control is a nice touch with the rival gangs, the gunplay is better, the driving is better, the helicopter and plane piloting is a million times better, the level of customisation is better and the story is told in a more dynamic way. You can go "oh, I want to do a quest with Pierce/KInzie/Zimos" and there's more flexibility. Like there are quests which you have to do at a certain time and the non urgent stuff you can kind of do in whichever order you like. They also didn't just call you up and have a cry if you didn't answer the phone.

In no way do I think GTA and Saints Row are competitors anymore. In the past they were, but they've each found their niche. Having said that, if you look beyond the styling and the realism, for want of a better word, there are a lot of things Rockstar could learn from Saints Row. I completed Saints Row in a week. I didn't complete GTAIV because the keyboard controls were fucking awful. I've had a lot of fun playing it with my friend but she does the driving. Role reserval yo.

But comparing them thematically is stupid. It's like comparing Halo with Serious Sam.

I meant vehicle customisation rather than character customisation. I can understand why you wouldn't want that though. That's not to say you can't have character customisation and not have a fleshed out character. Look at Dragon Age. But you know that. You're just trying to make a point. The town in SR3 isn't amazing, but I still think it's better than Liberty City. In SR3, it feels like you at least have something to do or somewhere to go, even if you don't really. In GTAIV, it just feels like nothings going on. Apart from missions, what else is there to do? Dates? Hanging out with the NPCs? That was tedious.

But you're still comparing the two based on story and stuff like that. I don't understand why.