Jonathan Mattei - Submissions - Cut Out Player Faces Megapack


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Completed by mons on 15 Jul 2021 09:37:50
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Completed by mons on 15 Jul 2021 09:37:50
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This image is a response to #1826328
Completed by mons on 15 Jul 2021 11:23:16
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@mons fixed neck length, suspected snow areas and the right ear (our left , player right)

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By Ttggfr 15 July 2021 - 10:11 AM UTC 

@mons fixed neck length, suspected snow areas and the right ear (our left , player right)

 

Why did you alter the brightness? 
It is useless for me to waste time arranging borders, color dominance, etc.

Fix the cut to get a worse cut. Great! 

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By Cizzu 15 July 2021 - 10:55 AM UTC 

Why did you alter the brightness? 
It is useless for me to waste time arranging borders, color dominance, etc.

Fix the cut to get a worse cut. Great! 

 

Your cut wasn't bad at all, but ttggfr's tweaks definitely make it a better one, in my opinion. If you think it's useless for you to “waste time arranging borders, color dominance etc.”, then you can't complain if somebody else does it. We're talking about a few extra seconds during the cutting process and, frankly, it should be the cutter's responsibility to do so because these all improve the final cut.

 

This is not the first time you have reacted badly to somebody politely pointing out potential improvements to your cutting technique, and your reaction is always over-the-top. If you don't take constructive criticism on board and slightly tweak your cutting technique accordingly, then it'll keep happening; it's up to you…

 

Also, and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that it might be the language barrier, but I'd prefer it if you were a bit more respectful in the way you speak to other users, especially when the previous communication is polite and constructive.

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By Cizzu 15 July 2021 - 10:55 AM UTC 

Why did you alter the brightness? 
It is useless for me to waste time arranging borders, color dominance, etc.

Fix the cut to get a worse cut. Great! 

 

Why did you alter the ability to admit you having room for improvement?
It is useless for me to waste time fixing your cuts, responding to rude responses, tagging staff here and there, etc.

Making unnecessary comments to make the community sounded more toxic. Great!  

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By Ttggfr 15 July 2021 - 16:48 PM UTC 

Why did you alter the ability to admit you having room for improvement?


1 - Is this only valid one way? Instead, are you able to listen and understand the reasons of another person? If you answer in this piquant way I think not.

2 - You have darkened the shadow area. There was really no reason. Maybe you have very different monitor settings than I have.
3 - You cut the face in the chin. In this way the face appears much more stocky and less slender. He looks like another person!
4 - If you think you make things better, without accepting a contradictory, you have fallen into solipsism. So just talk to yourself.
5 - This mess for the face of a player from an unknown Italian league (80% of fm players will not load it), is really excessive.

 


 

By mons 15 July 2021 - 11:13 AM UTC 

Also, and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that it might be the language barrier, but I'd prefer it if you were a bit more respectful in the way you speak to other users, especially when the previous communication is polite and constructive.


Mons please don't interfere 🙂. I don't like rhetoric.  I don't know very well express myself in English, but if someone prevails over me, I answer. I shut up once, twice, but the third time I answer. It's natural. 

 

By mons 15 July 2021 - 11:13 AM UTC 

 If you don't take constructive criticism on board and slightly tweak your cutting technique accordingly, then it'll keep happening; it's up to you…


It applies to me, but it also applies to those who respond to my criticisms. Not in only one direction.

 

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By Cizzu 16 July 2021 - 00:13 AM UTC 


1 - Is this only valid one way? Instead, are you able to listen and understand the reasons of another person? If you answer in this piquant way I think not.

2 - You have darkened the shadow area. There was really no reason. Maybe you have very different monitor settings than I have.
3 - You cut the face in the chin. In this way the face appears much more stocky and less slender. He looks like another person!
4 - If you think you make things better, without accepting a contradictory, you have fallen into solipsism. So just talk to yourself.
5 - This mess for the face of a player from an unknown Italian league (80% of fm players will not load it), is really excessive.

 


 


Mons please don't interfere 🙂. I don't like rhetoric.  I don't know very well express myself in English, but if someone prevails over me, I answer. I shut up once, twice, but the third time I answer. It's natural. 

 


It applies to me, but it also applies to those who respond to my criticisms. Not in only one direction.

 

 

For this cut, unlike the one you actually did make a valid point, actually did not cut the chin off, but left no space below the chin, which kind of was the standard around here. This site would tend to leave little to no space below the chin, and would often nudge the collar as well, so not like I really love people without neck, but it was for the standards of this site. In fact, for my personal preference, without the snow issue and the right ear issue, I would have preferred your cut for the neck length.

As for the eye part, not like I had to specifically darken the area, but it was because that the eyes of this player is relatively deep, such that it may appear to be darker. 

Well I admit that I would myself also make mistakes at times, but the way I reacted was due to the over-reaction from previous encounters, when you have someone who responded to criticisms badly and telling me there were snow in my eyes, how polite would you expect me to be?

As for the last comment, every icon is worth our attention, obscure or not as these icons are also part of the megapack. 

@mons  and the others are the staff over here, their role is to interfere when arguments like this occur, and to maintain a peaceful environment.

I may have something worth learning from this, but for you, instead of over-reacting, time to learn how to fix the snow issue.          

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Pending by Cizzu on 16 Jul 2021 15:29:41
Completed by Ttggfr on 16 Jul 2021 16:40:31
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By Ttggfr 16 July 2021 - 08:44 AM UTC 

Well I admit that I would myself also make mistakes at times, but the way I reacted was due to the over-reaction from previous encounters, when you have someone who responded to criticisms badly and telling me there were snow in my eyes, how polite would you expect me to be?     

 

😀 So I'm sorry. But that was an ironic answer ... because many times I really struggle to see snow, so it gets nerve-wracking every time to correct something I don't see. I don't want to look like a annoying person 🙂 

 

By Ttggfr 16 July 2021 - 08:44 AM UTC 

For this cut, unlike the one you actually did make a valid point, actually did not cut the chin off, but left no space below the chin, which kind of was the standard around here. This site would tend to leave little to no space below the chin, and would often nudge the collar as well, so not like I really love people without neck, but it was for the standards of this site. In fact, for my personal preference, without the snow issue and the right ear issue, I would have preferred your cut for the neck length. 


Yes exactly. But I don't think that for an extra inch of neck someone will go into crisis! Faces cut like in this way, without necks, are really ugly: people look short and stocky when they aren't at all. We try, as far as we can, to maintain the person's own physiognomy 😉 

 

 

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By Cizzu 16 July 2021 - 15:40 PM UTC 

😀 So I'm sorry. But that was an ironic answer ... because many times I really struggle to see snow, so it gets nerve-wracking every time to correct something I don't see. I don't want to look like a annoying person 🙂 

 


Yes exactly. But I don't think that for an extra inch of neck someone will go into crisis! Faces cut like in this way, without necks, are really ugly: people look short and stocky when they aren't at all. We try, as far as we can, to maintain the person's own physiognomy 😉 

 

 

Glad we got that sorted, no hard feelings. But since we are uploading to this site, we probably would need to follow the standards of this site.

so for you future cuts, you may want to check them both on a white and black background to identify potential issues. I can see sometimes people struggle with identifying snow ( as I was myself). Using this cut as an example, not saying that it was a bad cut, especially without the use of Remove.bg , but there were issues to be reckoned with. 

Firstly, I put your cut on a white background for a check.

 

Your cut on a white background

 

We may see that on the right hand side of the cut, there is a black part below the ear that is definitely not a part of the shirt nor a part of his face, and this can be identified with a white background for checking.

Then, we put the cut onto a black background.
  

 

Your cut on a black background

There were some unwanted white parts found there. These do not look good and may need fixing 

While sometimes it looked natural as the source was bright itself, the parts circled in red does not look too nice. Usually, there was a part that you commonly refer as light reflection would be called snow. In this instance, the part circled on the hair has the most notable snow, and the white outline (or background not removed), though sometimes unnoticeable, would contain snow. While sometimes you may fail to identify, better if you would just do the snow removal procedure with clone stamping around the edges of the WHOLE cut to avoid missing any.

I would this time use your cut to fix this one as you adjusted the contrast and the brightness of the cut way better than I do on this one.

Again, no hard feelings. Next time when people like me (and probably only me lol) pointed out issues, you may want to ask the guy who pointed out the issues to circle or identify the exact location of the issues. If they fail to identify the location clearly and use bad language to criticize you, then I personally agree that you have the right to go rampage.   

Edit: @mons Please select the cut you feel like the most appropriate. Though I made another version of the cut, the other version of the cut may need tweaks on the right hand side of the edges 

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This image is a response to #1826734
Completed by mons on 16 Jul 2021 17:54:13
Cizzu
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By Ttggfr 16 July 2021 - 16:11 PM UTC 

Firstly, I put your cut on a white background for a check.

 

Your cut on a white background

 

We may see that on the right hand side of the cut, there is a black part below the ear that is definitely not a part of the shirt nor a part of his face, and this can be identified with a white background for checking.

Then, we put the cut onto a black background.
  

 


 


Yes… beacause it's a earring !!!  

You should look at the original image before making these wrong observations! 😀 

 



 

By Ttggfr 16 July 2021 - 16:11 PM UTC 

 

There were some unwanted white parts found there. These do not look good and may need fixing 

While sometimes it looked natural as the source was bright itself, the parts circled in red does not look too nice. Usually, there was a part that you commonly refer as light reflection would be called snow. In this instance, the part circled on the hair has the most notable snow, and the white outline (or background not removed), though sometimes unnoticeable, would contain snow. While sometimes you may fail to identify, better if you would just do the snow removal procedure with clone stamping around the edges of the WHOLE cut to avoid missing any.

 

Yes, I know, it's right. Thanks for the fix. 

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@Cizzu, first of all, I'll comment whenever I deem fit, not when you allow me to ‘interfere’. Secondly, I'm tired of seeing you react with a lot of pointless, irrelevant and often wrong waffle every time somebody politely points out something you can tweak in your cutting technique. 

 

If you can't take feedback without reacting like a spoilt toxic child, perhaps it's time for you to reconsider your approach. No other regular cutter makes such a big fuss about it. Everybody makes mistakes and without constructive feedback between ourselves, such as what ttggfr's was, we simply won't know what/if we're doing wrong. Heaven help us if we all reacted the same as you.

 

To be clear, the issue is that your cut is cropped a bit too far from the chin; it's not necessary especially when you consider the size of the source image. ttggfr's initial cut on the other hand is cut perhaps a bit closer to the chin than I'd prefer it to be, but I prefer it to yours nonetheless.

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By mons 16 July 2021 - 18:05 PM UTC 

@Cizzu, first of all, I'll comment whenever I deem fit, not when you allow me to ‘interfere’. Secondly, I'm tired of seeing you react with a lot of pointless, irrelevant and often wrong waffle every time somebody politely points out something you can tweak in your cutting technique. 

 

Yes, I wrote it to you in a good-natured manner. Try to understand.. 
If everything I write, my interlocutor intervenes, then you also intervene, then Baka also arrives, you understand even by yourself that you are creating the mess, uselessly. We are intelligent people, no one is fighting, we can understand each other very well even without a mediator who often does more damage than anything else. There is no need for the teacher or the traffic cop. That's all. 🙂 

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By Cizzu 16 July 2021 - 18:14 PM UTC 

Yes, I wrote it to you in a good-natured manner. Try to understand.. 
If everything I write, my interlocutor intervenes, then you also intervene, then Baka also arrives, you understand even by yourself that you are creating the mess, uselessly. We are intelligent people, no one is fighting, we can understand each other very well even without a mediator who often does more damage than anything else. There is no need for the teacher or the traffic cop. That's all. 🙂 

 

I'm neither a teacher nor a traffic cop, and if you don't like what I say, then that's your problem, not mine. And it might be getting lost in translation, but your initial comments in this thread and reactions elsewhere didn't seem to me to be good-natured in any definition of the word, which is why I felt the need to post in reply. If it was a constructive discussion, I wouldn't have bothered, I've got better things to do with my time.

 

The only one creating any mess here is you, by refusing to take mild feedback on board and reacting with a lot of unnecessary futile explanations instead of saying “Point taken, I see what you mean” and moving on like an adult.

 

Line drawn.

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By Cizzu 16 July 2021 - 18:03 PM UTC 


 


Yes… beacause it's a earring !!!  

You should look at the original image before making these wrong observations! 😀 

 



 

 

Yes, I know, it's wright. Thanks for the fix. 

 

Now that you had pointed that out, I managed to see that one as an earring. Although it probably should have been kept, removing it is not completely unforgivable that the cut required a remake?

Thanks for pointing that out, I actually missed it even when I saw the original image and removed it based on instinct.

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By Ttggfr 16 July 2021 - 18:32 PM UTC 

Now that you had pointed that out, I managed to see that one as an earring. Although it probably should have been kept, removing it is not completely unforgivable that the cut required a remake?

Thanks for pointing that out, I actually missed it even when I saw the original image and removed it based on instinct.


Yes, but you corrected me on something I've already considered. On the overexposed part of the hair, you are right. 
Then this mess comes from the fact that we are two fussy people 😀