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#336350 Euro 2016 tournament thread
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A foreigner? Are you mad?
The foreigners are the exact reason you left the euros... or the eu... I don't remember.

Have a proud english manager like Alan Pardew, or Eddie Howe.


The sad thing is that those two are still probably better shouts than who they'll actually give it too.
#336315 Game of Thrones
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The King in the North!


Bit harsh. Nichola Sturgeon is a woman.

#336314 Euro 2016 tournament thread
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Anybody else kind of embarrassed to admit they're English right now?


Have been since Thursday.

Oh, we lost the football?

#336196 EU Referendum
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Pound's hit a 31 year low.

Good job it was all scaremongering.
#336195 Transfer Rumours 2016/17
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Mane's a good player. Thats not a bad signing.
#336121 EU Referendum
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Scotland Act of 1998 apparently.

tbh don't reckon article 50 is going to be triggered.


In fairness to Cameron, I think he's played an absolute blinder on this front.
#335986 EU Referendum
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I'm sorry he was elected to represent us. The genuine working class - but the people who will be hid hardest by Brexit are the people who overwhelmingly voted to leave it - Wales and the North East etc. Sunderland is about as pro-Labour as you can possible get, and Nissan will pull out, there could potentially be cuts to the public sector and possibly employment rights being a thing of the past. If any of these happens, Corbyn will be seen as smug Islington plastic leftie.

I genuinely think Labour is done in England, gone the way of the Lib Dems. I think there will be scepticism of a left-wing candidate, and it's clear a 'Blairite' candidate won't get popular support. I fear we're all Tory's now if we like it or not, and the split will be between the Ruth Davidson's of this world and the Boris' and the Farage's


I agree with you mostly, and I sympathise. I just don't know if I can blame Corbyn because of a bunch of Turkey's who voted for Christmas. Regardless of the campaign Labour ran, we knew what would happen post-Brexit, we knew that growing discontent in the North East was pushing people towards UKIP and we knew that the newspapers and politicians had blamed the EU for decades for problems that the EU had not caused.

We also know that, after years of being told it was the EU's fault, people reacted strongly when they were told in the three months up to the referendum that it wasn't, and that it was seen as a protest vote against the establishment. If Labour had more vociferously backed Remain I can see it having the opposite effect: 'Well fuck you, you haven't helped us for years, why should we trust you now'. Besides, Corbyn actually led an active campaign and mostly said the right things (stupid immigration comments aside), but the press (who have slaughtered him since day one) ignored him in favour of the internal Tory party divide.

Corbyn has to go. It's drastically unfair, he's a principled man with mostly sensible left wing views who's been undermined by constant infighting by a party thats refused to get behind him, and his most high profile intrusions into most peoples lives have been a result of Labour's infighting and inconsequential shit (does it really matter if he doesn't sing the anthem?) its clear that Labour will never be an electoral force under him. Corbyn's policies could have been exactly what the North East needs, but any Labour leader left of centre faces an unwinable battle against the Murdoch press (like Red Ed), its no surprise that the only elected Labour PM for 40 years moved to the centre and cozied up to Murdoch.

Labour won't get wiped out, but they're in turmoil (more because of SNP wiping them out in Scotland than UKIP though) and have a party membership ridiculously out of step with the concerns of Labour voters – for example, Hilary Benn is an excellent orator and would do well, I think, in a world of style over substance, but he's little more than a Tory wearing a red rosette and won't get the leadership nod – this will be coupled with the backlash against Westminster when we end up either still in the EU, or in a free movement EEA style deal that Conservatives favour which will see UKIP surge further still in their heartlands.

What can we do? We're in a country now where rampant xenophobia can be dressed up as 'just caring about immigration' and defended leading to people who actually have legitimate concerns about immigration unable to express their legitimate fears without being tarred with the same brush. We're in a country now where an election was won of the promise of spending £350m a week that didn't exist on the NHS and cutting immigration, only for those claims to be backtracked upon a day later and the stories of racist abuse people have suffered in the wake off Brexit because people feel empowered to do so having 'taken their country back' should chill people to the bone.

I don't think I recognise this country anymore, I don't know how it happened, but the caring, tolerant society that welcomed people and always tried to do the right thing is disappearing in front of my eyes. Maybe it had already gone and I'm only just realising it now, and it would have been equally true regardless of the outcome of the vote. Fuck knows.

Anyway, this turned into an unrelated rant that has nothing to do with what I originally wanted to say or talk about and I don't expect anyone to agree with me but whatever, I needed to get it off my chest.
#335923 EU Referendum
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I'm pretty sure Corbyn is anti-EU at heart, he was only on the remain side because it would be politically impossible for him to favour brexit and remain Labour leader.

People on the hard left like him almost universally hate the EU, they just do it for different reasons and with a different rhetoric than the likes of UKIP.


I don't think so. I think Corbyn is the dictionary definition of a reluctant remainer. Someone that dislikes what the EU has become but recognises its importance. Of all the arguments advanced by the leaders of political parties his comes closest to how I feel myself.

But its just not a vote winner is it? And its, understandably, a message thats failed to get heard over the amount of crap everyone else came out with.

I also don't think he's got anywhere near the political nous to play both sides like being suggested which is probably not a great indication for his future prospect as Labour leader. Don't get me wrong, I don't think he'll be devastated we left, but I do genuinely think he wanted us to stay.
#335905 Euro 2016 tournament thread
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Knew nothing about him before the transfer and after watching him during this tournament i'm amazed we've spent £35m on him, he's average at best and no idea where the Alonso comparison came from.


I've been pretty impressed with what I've seen. Been man of the match twice I think? Not sure how good he'll be, but certainly could have had a more worrying tournament form your point of view (for example, god help us if we sign Embolo based on his performances so far).

Just don't let him take penalties and your grand.
#335884 Euro 2016 tournament thread
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Look at Xhaka showing up for his country with his leadership skills and leading like a leader.
#335880 EU Referendum
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Agreed I know its of our own making, as I said we buy from abroad when we need not do so.
Surely keeping more manufacturing here has got to be good for our economy.
I am no politician of course nor am I the most intelligent but come on, too much relying on others when we surly could do some of it ourselves.....or am I wrong?


I really don't know the answer. It's complicated. And if you spent most of your life as a steel worker you probably know more about it this than me, so forgive me if my comments aren't very insightful. But the problem with our industry is that we need it to employ people, pay people, house people, feed people etc... etc... which means when it comes to manufacturing something like steel or other raw materials it makes it really expensive compared to parts of the world where they pay people substantially less like China.

So yeah, while we could introduce protectionism and pay people really well to make steel for domestic uses (providing we can afford that as a country) in order for the steel industry to boom and provide a substantial amount of jobs we need to export too, and as soon as we export then we're competing against places like China which then puts a squeeze on wages and jobs as the companies try and cut costs to be competitive.

The best thing we could do would be to join a large, rich, trading block that agrees to buy our exports and not import from outside of that block. But we just voted to leave a block that could do that largely on the back of votes from people who benefit the most out of it so what do I know?
#335872 EU Referendum
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Does not suprise me at all.
Another kick in the teeth that infuriated me was in the train making industry.
A massive contract given by us to Germany when we have a perfectly great company in the Uk that could do it.....stupid to the extreme!!


Oh. Sorry. I think you mis-understood what I said.

The EU wanted to protect the steel industry (including in this country) from cheap Chinese steel dumps. That would have propped up our industry and would probably have lead to Tata steel staying. The UK fought tooth and nail to stop them from doing that for over 3 years, and in 2016, as I'm sure you're aware, that led to Tata steel pulling out, at which point the UK government refused to bail out the steel industry in the same way they did the banks.

The crisis of manufacturing in this country, like most other things, is entirely a problem of our own making.

And on the topic, the issue I assume you're talking about is the Bombardier/Siemans bid for the Thameslink contract. As far as I'm aware, the main problem was the process that was set out by the Labour government that the Tories followed (they said they would change it afterwards, but in typical Tory fashion didn't), again it was largely a problem of our own making.
#335868 EU Referendum
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Steel making has all but gone .... we buy steel from abroad....WHY?...we can make it ourselves which in turn creates more jobs.


Irony right here is that EU wanted to impose tariffs on Chinese exports of Steel to protect the European market.

That was blocked by...

Yep. The UK government you guessed it.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/01/steel-crisis-uk-accused-blocking-eu-attempts-regulate-chinese-dumping
#335867 Euro 2016 tournament thread
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#335863 EU Referendum
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Question to @Suffolk Seasider @VP. and anyone else brave enough admit they voted to leave.

If we held the referendum again, and its confirmed that the 'trade deal' we will sign with the EU is what Boris and Gove favour which is to join the EEC on the same deal as Norway or Switzerland which means paying in (probably more than we did now because we won't get the rebate), having no say in how the EU makes its laws, and accepting free movement of people would you still vote leave or would you prefer to remain?
#335860 Euro 2016 tournament thread
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He really has, especially today.

Milik has been decent except the dreadful misses vs Germany


Did you turn on after the first minute and miss Milik dreadful miss today too?
#335859 EU Referendum
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Also there is no chance of there being another referendum. Oh here you lost, so lets have another vote.


It's not hugely out of the realms of possibility. Parliament overwhelmingly backs remaining, Scotland and Northern Ireland overwhelmingly backed remaining, some leave voters are realising that they were lied to. Nissan 'no commenting' stories that they're about to move out of Sunderland which overwhelmingly backed to leave. And Leave are backtracking on claims they made on the campaign trail. Oh and reports that the senior conservative's that backed Leave favour the Norway/Switzerland model which solves none of the issues that people voted on and causes more problems.

Not saying it will happen, but its not impossible that it might.
#335856 Euro 2016 tournament thread
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Lewandowski and Kane fighting for the biggest disappointment of the tournament.


Least Lewandowski hasn't been as bad as Milik.
#335714 EU Referendum
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I think most countries current leadership has acted with beffudlement and worry, Germans seem the angriest. Seems a lot of opposition leaders have seen this as their chance to gain some power and votes in their countries by suggesting it might be in their countries interests to also have a referendum on EU membership. Think that's the case last I read or heard for at least the French, Dutch and Swedish.

Also, hello VP, didn't realise you were so close to me down here. Work with a few guys who live down Leigh-on-Sea. :waves:

I know I voted Leave, but I have nothing against the free movement and immigration imposed by the EU. That and the trade laws should have been the be and end all of the EU, but give people a bit of power and they want a lot more. It was getting ridiculous and I did not want some super europe country run from Brussels with blanket laws. Not that I think the current system we have in the UK is democracy how it should be either, but one thing at a time.

Also, on a more selfish note, as a first time buyer (or trier for the past 2 years) I'm hoping I can get a house for a better price now. Though I understand mortgage rates will probably rise for the moment, I'm hopeful of a better market.


Given what you've said are you happy with the outcome or would you have preferred a Remain vote with a strong enough Leave % to give Brussels a kick?
#335710 EU Referendum
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Because leaving the EU means absolutely nothing. The UK already has full control of non-EU immigration and there is absolutely no chance whatsoever that the EU would agree to a trade deal that doesn't include freedom of movement, and even if it did, the two million British citizens who reside elsewhere in the EU are a virtual guarantee that no sane UK government would want to end it.


Has there been much about that in Sweden? I've heard a few say there's, at best, an utter sense of bewilderment in Europe. At the fact we hate the EU migrants we get - young, working age adults or students who contribute to the economy and don't make huge use of public services like the NHS - compared to what we export - old, retired, pensioners who cost their host country through the nose to use their healthcare system.
#335708 EU Referendum
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Na i'm from a place called Rochford though i work in Southend which is just up the road.


Ah I knew it was an Essex seaside town, just got which one wrong.

Well either way, I don't think your stupid. I just think you've been duped. Rochford has one of the lowest % of immigration in the entire country, and Southend's not far off. It reflects the general national trend that areas most likely to vote Leave have the lowest % of immigration. Yet I suspect thats all you've really heard about the debate in that part of the world? It's been the same here. People pinning decades of problems caused by our own government on immigration and based off immigration fears stoked up by national disgraces like the Sun and the Mail deliberately lying.

Either way, whichever way you voted, my only real qualm with what you said is your use of the word 'expert' as a dirty word. I don't think anyones professing to some higher understanding of facts that can't be easily googled but, even if we did, why does that matter?
#335699 EU Referendum
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Well from reading what yourself and a couple of others have been saying anyone that voted leave is seen as being stupid and clueless so I can hardly blame them for not wanting to say anything.

I personally voted leave purely because of immigration and I'm certainly not ashamed of doing so.


I'm hardly surprised, you out Clacton way yeah?
#335696 EU Referendum
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Anyone vote leave but too scared to say due to all the experts comments on here?


If people voted Leave but are too ashamed to admit they voted Leave, then maybe they should question why they voted that way in the first place.
#335679 EU Referendum
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No longer a AAA economy, and already dropped below France when it comes to strongest economies, stronger in was all scaremongering though.


Stop scaremongering with your facts.
#335677 EU Referendum
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FTSE 250 has had 11% wiped off it and FTSE 100 has lost £120bn in the 48 minutes its been open.

Good job we're getting that £350m back hey.
#335675 EU Referendum
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Cameron's gone.

Fucking Brexit can't even let me enjoy a moment I've been waiting for for 6 years.
#335669 EU Referendum
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The English people just sat fire to their own house and dragged the Scots and the Northern Irish down with them.


Oi at least blame the Welsh too.
#335658 EU Referendum
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Right. Where we moving to?
#335643 EU Referendum
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Well, the UK was fun while it lasted wasn't it?

Scotland to back Remain by 20 points, England to drag it out of the EU.
#335640 EU Referendum
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClrBhqxWIAAwew8.jpg

Pound since the Sunderland result.