Persee
10 years ago
2 years ago
1,591
I have a question: When we get the full release, are all the transfers up to that date going to be done in every country? Even in the Middle East (Iran, Qatar, UAE leagues)? For example Pablo Hernandez and Dejagah to Al Arabi

Thanks guys!
false n1ne
10 years ago
1 month ago
59
It's not worth to buy this game, same situation with FM 12,13 and 14. Tones of BUG's, highly unrealistic match engine, alot of new liitle addons, mostly completely useless, schematic motivation talks which are boring after 2-3 seasons (not the mention about using it in FM12-15 so for 3 years).

To be honest, and this is my personal opinion, I have right to say it, SI should stop releasing FM for 1-2 years and create completely new manager from the beginning. New game code, new innovations, new ideas, improved tactic system and of course training. Scouting should be more interesting too.

You know what? Tacitc, training and scouting could be and SHOULD BE something absolutely special in FM. It could be incredibly great fun. But NOPE, it is what it is. If you think it's worth to buy it, THEN GO AND DO IT. Game makers will never have conclusion to make something better. Cuz everybody are buying their game. Even if its Sh**y. I'm mad.

FM is a deadman.
TomDixon77
17 years ago
1 year ago
911
To be honest, and this is my personal opinion, I have right to say it, SI should stop releasing FM for 1-2 years and create completely new manager from the beginning. New game code, new innovations, new ideas, improved tactic system and of course training. Scouting should be more interesting too.


SI can't do that, Football Manager is their only income stream, so taking a year off to start from scratch is utterly unrealistic.

You know what? Tacitc, training and scouting could be and SHOULD BE something absolutely special in FM. It could be incredibly great fun. But NOPE, it is what it is. If you think it's worth to buy it, THEN GO AND DO IT. Game makers will never have conclusion to make something better. Cuz everybody are buying their game. Even if its Sh**y. I'm mad.

FM is a deadman.


What do you want it to be then? SI are damned if they do, damned if they don't now. They're the only football management game in town, so they have to cater for all sorts of markets that want things that are sometimes contradictory.

At first they attempted to placate the 'It must be super realistic at all times!' crowd, which led to lots of micromanagement in things like training and press conferences. This led to the people who don't have the time or the inclination to deal with that sort of intricate game complaining that it was too fiddly (and also a barrier to new players),which in turn led to FMC.

Basically, it's never going to be perfect, it's attempting to simulate something that even the most brilliant scientists in the world can't do, human behaviour (granted, it's a sub-set of that behaviour, but the point still stands).
false n1ne
10 years ago
1 month ago
59
SI can't do that, Football Manager is their only income stream, so taking a year off to start from scratch is utterly unrealistic.

What do you want it to be then? SI are damned if they do, damned if they don't now. They're the only football management game in town, so they have to cater for all sorts of markets that want things that are sometimes contradictory.

At first they attempted to placate the 'It must be super realistic at all times!' crowd, which led to lots of micromanagement in things like training and press conferences. This led to the people who don't have the time or the inclination to deal with that sort of intricate game complaining that it was too fiddly (and also a barrier to new players),which in turn led to FMC.

Basically, it's never going to be perfect, it's attempting to simulate something that even the most brilliant scientists in the world can't do, human behaviour (granted, it's a sub-set of that behaviour, but the point still stands).


You've touched one of the most important problems. SI Games is only one who's making managers simulators so there is nobody to set the standards on high level. Doesn't matter if game is good or not, it's only thing we have.. thats's true. But it doesn't mean that everything is good.

I know it's impossible to make perfect game. But ffs, it's possible to make FM much better. And please don't tell me anything about game realism. Simulators should realistic as much as possible. FM is far away from that. Often game appears to be annoying. Match engine is pretty bad. Injury system is terrible. Scouting is just poor. There is not many things you can do with this... tactic and training are very primitive.

Why training can't look like the one in CM 03/04 or somes like that? You can set different training option to everyday in week, morning, midday, afternoon.
It's just an example. What I mean is SI could make training more interesting. And should.

All you can do in tactic section is set formation, set attitude of the team and set generalized instructions for the team. Actually everything in this case is generalized as hard as possible. Not to mention the fact that players sometimes are not realizing the assumptions for some reasons. We need more details to set. We need something more.

I could say much more but it's pointless. There is no other way than playing FM... well except quit the game definetly what I did in FM 12, 13 and soon 14. But if you thing this game is good... well perhaps you should check old CM's and FM's and see what's missing in new FM. You will find what's good. Otherwise go and spend your money on game which is unplayable. And wait until July to patch the game enough to play more or less normally.

I hope people will wake up finally and stop buying this game. Maybe this will force SI to improve the game. Or create something new. Something better.
TomDixon77
17 years ago
1 year ago
911
You can't really claim to want realism, then hold up CM 03/04 as an example of how to do it. How is scouting poor, for instance? There's no point in going off on half cocked rants (especially on a fansite) if you aren't going to suggest how to improve things. That way SI might actually listen to you, rather than dumping you in the same pile as the other ranters and moaners.
false n1ne
10 years ago
1 month ago
59
Game makers should recognize fan's expectations. SI obviously lost this skill. FM is going good only because there is no other game like this. And this is only one reason why FM is still popular. Basing on polish fans FM sites I can tell you this popularity is decreasing every year. I used to play FMs and earlier CMs since the beggining. And watch now. Last FM i played was 12 (I player only few seasons). If fans like my are leaving the game it obviously mean something is wrong.

I gave you an example how to improve game. Even if its not my job. Tactic should be more detailed, scouting should give you option to set scouting budget, allow you to select area to watch (like north brasill, south-west argentina, City A or City B etc).

In training section there should be option to set training programs to every day in week, including time of day. There should be alot of categories of training like 3vs 3 on small goals, 5 vs 5 on big goals, monkey in the middle (or how you call this game in english) etc.

I have much more 'ideas', problem is they aren't my. They are just innovations from previous FM's/CM's.

So i f you thing this game is 'good', and worth to buy, well I wish you to play finally a good FM/CM.
false n1ne
10 years ago
1 month ago
59
Monopoly = loosing quality, FM15 = wasting money.. Maybe SI should stop releasing game for 1-2 years and create something new. fresh, Innovative, more realistic.

Firstly I was blaming people for supporting such a bad game. But Iindeed I cannot expect anything more because it is the only existing football manager symulator. Damn.
jujigatame
12 years ago
5 years ago
49
I have to say I don't really understand all the outrage. I have some issues with player interaction (mostly players too easy to get angry about playing time) but the core of the game (the ME) is the best I've ever seen.
TomDixon77
17 years ago
1 year ago
911
Monopoly = loosing quality, FM15 = wasting money.. Maybe SI should stop releasing game for 1-2 years and create something new. fresh, Innovative, more realistic.

Firstly I was blaming people for supporting such a bad game. But Iindeed I cannot expect anything more because it is the only existing football manager symulator. Damn.


FM is the only game produced by SI, they can't afford to not produce something for a couple of years.
TomDixon77
17 years ago
1 year ago
911
Game makers should recognize fan's expectations. SI obviously lost this skill. FM is going good only because there is no other game like this. And this is only one reason why FM is still popular. Basing on polish fans FM sites I can tell you this popularity is decreasing every year. I used to play FMs and earlier CMs since the beggining. And watch now. Last FM i played was 12 (I player only few seasons). If fans like my are leaving the game it obviously mean something is wrong.

I gave you an example how to improve game. Even if its not my job. Tactic should be more detailed, scouting should give you option to set scouting budget, allow you to select area to watch (like north brasill, south-west argentina, City A or City B etc).

In training section there should be option to set training programs to every day in week, including time of day. There should be alot of categories of training like 3vs 3 on small goals, 5 vs 5 on big goals, monkey in the middle (or how you call this game in english) etc.

I have much more 'ideas', problem is they aren't my. They are just innovations from previous FM's/CM's.

So i f you thing this game is 'good', and worth to buy, well I wish you to play finally a good FM/CM.


Going back to this post, have you any idea how unbelievably boring micro-managing the game to that level would be? I've already got a job, I don't want another one I don't get paid for.

Also, how do you know your ideas are 'more realistic'? SI have actually spoken to people involved in football management, so they've probably got a better idea of what is realistic and what isn't.
Sheriff Skacel
9 years ago
1 month ago
940
Premium
Undoubtedly SI have got complacent some years, its only natural due to the lack of competition.

However they face a constant challenge between balancing FM as a game and having FM as a simulation, entertaining the casual player and satisfying the hardcore gamer.

For the most part I haven't got the time anymore to be a hardcore player, bar in wee spurts, but I will never, ever be a casual FM player. I can't stand the watered down features and fluffy experience, but on the flipside I can't be arsed fannying on with half quarter of all the new shit in FM. I only watch my matches in text commentary, press conferences bore me, player tutoring? fucks that?, etc. Some people dig that shit, I have no time for it.

A training revolution in FM is coming, they will overhaul the training system, give us some degree of micro management and sell it as a major new feature for a future FM. They can't shove all their ideas or new features into one release because at that point FM will truly become stale and people will see no need to upgrade.

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