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Obtuse
I call bullshit
Poe
Obtuse
You are right. I care too much for the rights of the public.
Fuck me, right?
Poe
Mr Willy
Obtuse
Yes the truth does that. Not the lying that the governments do, at all.
Poe
King Luis
Obtuse
A lot don't and never will. Ultimately though it is all to do with stopping everyone finding out just what they are doing that is against so many different laws. Essentially they are covering up many breaches of very serious crimes and are getting away with it with laws that are put in place for terrorists not people wanting the truth to be heard.
King Luis
Sam
King Luis
Obtuse
Obtuse
Laws that shouldn't be there to start with. It should never be a crime to expose the truth.
Poe
Obtuse
Suppressing the crime is the crime. Whistleblowing is not a crime.
Phoenix Arrow
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Poe
He may have stole the information that led to him obtaining these documents? We just don't know.
Ninja
So therefore he's a terrorist?
King Luis
Well no but detaining him under the terrorism makes sense given the information he potentially had.
Ninja
No it doesn't, arresting him and giving him a trial and doing things in a legal, transparent and accountable manner makes sense if they thought he had illegally obtained information.
What they did is despicable, it's akin to a mob boss ordering someone to be kneecapped because they haven't paid their protection money in time.
David Miranda was targeted because his boyfriend broke the story on PRISM, it doesn't matter what he had or didn't have, a democracy only works if the government, like the rest of us, is subject to the rule of law. Abusing 'terrorism' laws (which have stopped how many terrorists?) is not that.
Obtuse
We do know though. Oh wait, did you mean it was stolen and given to him?
The terrorism is the acts done by the Government. Whistleblowing is not terrorism and neither is spying as they tried to claim Assange did.
Poe
Stolen and given to him/stolen and made aware by terrorists too him I dunno.
For the record - I don't think he's done much wrong myself but calling bullshit instantly is pretty silly.
Obtuse
I don't think it is silly in the slightest. The police are well known to cover their backs fast no matter what happens.
Ninja
I still think you're missing the point.
It's not really a matter of whether Miranda did or didn't do anything wrong, he might well have and the government would still have been in the wrong for what they did.
Poe
Ninja
If the information he has is dangerous to national security then there's a million and one recourses available to the government that don't involve detaining him on very flimsy 'terrorism' grounds and smashing his shit up (for a start, if he doesn't have it backed up elsewhere he's a moron, so you have to question what they actually achieved).
The fact that the government kept their American overlords involved and it was ordered from Cameron suggests what they did was for far different motives than that, anyway, and had far more to do with the fact it would embarrass the government than threaten their security.
Telegram Sam
Obtuse