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Crane
What?
BR.
Don't mind personally, once every four years, love it all, a tournament so big deserves a big build up.
Just hope it's a better tournament than 2010. Didn't realise at the time but it was a pretty poor WC.
Shola
Possibly Hart/Jagielka/Cahill have been better.
VP.
Vercoe
bluemoon.
VP.
Vercoe
VP.
Carroll.
Ninja
Name better in the past 2 years.
I read today that he's the second highest scorer under Hodgson, and seeing as we've all decided that the number 1 (Rooney) is shite, then that just strengthens his case.
Edit: Just to make it clear, I'm talking about performances in an England shirt only.
Sam
The Mirror are morons.
Telegram Sam
Happy to sabotage our chances if it means they'll sell more newspapers.
Poe
Crane
Welbeck has the habit of playing shit for England and then popping up with a goal. Normally against a minnow.
And on that Rooney comment, he was statistically the worst player in the 2010 WC (all teams, not just England) and hasn't played well at a tournament for 10 years. He's done what he usually does so far, score well in the qualification stage. It's logical to think that he'll then do what he's been doing for years, and that's flop at the tournament. He also looked woeful in the warm up friendlies (slightly better in the last one though).
Jamieandhisego
Didn't FIFA actually release statistics at the end of the tournament that confirmed he was England's best player?
Poe
4 of Welbecks 5 competitive england goals have came against Moldova and San Marino.
He's a good work horse but nothing else. Sterling/Lallana/Barkley all offer more going forward.
Crane
No.
Don't think he was the tournaments worst player as I said earlier though. He was certainly shockingly bad at that tournament.
Ninja
I honestly have no idea why people keep saying this, he's incredibly technically proficient.
Poe
Not enough to play on the wing in anything other than a workhorse winger type player.
Lallana/Sterling/Barkley are all way ahead of him in terms of dribbling and beating players.
VP.
All his premier league goals last season were against bottom half sides I think.
Ninja
Poe
Ninja
Yeah, because we watch him the most. So are more aware to the blindingly obvious fact that once you get past the fact that he has occasional bambi on ice moments and looks a bit ungainly what you actually get left is a very talented footballer.
Poe
Both of those players have the same goal threat or thereabouts.
Welbeck is rated about right in England now, after the huge hype for him has died down. He's a 5/10 footballer, 7/10 on a good day. His statistic's don't exactly set the world on fire, either.
Ninja
Wait, where did I argue against that first line?
I honestly think he's just a far better player than most people on here, and in the general public, give him credit for. Bringing it down to a level of 'he works hard' or 'he tracks back' just ignores the fact that he's got a lot more to him than that.
As for his stats, he's basically had one season as a guaranteed starter as a striker and he did pretty well. It was a case of bad luck on his part that a world class player in RVP happened to become available after that and he didn't get a chance to press on.
Poe
His best attributes are his work rate and his tracking back though, so it's only right people praise him for that. He's not known for his passing, excellent touch or dribbling ability - because he hasn't shown enough of it. His record of 29 in 139 for Man Utd is just not good enough. It's completely bang average.
Ninja
Well 12 in 39, it was a decent start. I remember the stats flying around showing how favourably it compared with the likes of Shearer and Henry at similar ages and what could be termed a debut season.
The season before last was an aberration, he played quite well in parts, but he just didn't get himself into goal scoring positions and when he did he tended to fuck it up, but since then he's been a hell of a lot better. For a left winger, which is pretty much exclusively where he's managed to get games (and I think its even too far to call his position a 'winger' under Moyes) he doesn't really have bad stats. They're certainly comparable with Sturridge's Chelsea stats, sadly (from a United point of view) I think it might be a similar story with Welbeck that he'll have to move to really get a chance playing consistently up front, but I'm convinced he'll prove a success of himself wherever that chance comes.
Edit: And a great chunk of those appearances are substitute ones too. I'd also question what service our strikers have got in the past 2 years.
King Luis