"Retired Person"

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02 Sep 2018 19:50:46
Someone appears to have misunderstood exactly what this means. Setting a person to "Retired Person" strips out all data about that person apart from a name and an ID. They are in the game by name, nothing more. Setting Michael Carrick and Per Mertesacker to this does not make them staff members, it gets rid of all of their data which is why they don't appear in-game in their correct roles.

This person type should only be set on people who have retired from football completely and have no active participation in football anyway. You should be using the person type "Non-Player" for players who retire and go into coaching/management.
LBOW6
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05 Sep 2018 12:58:32
By metal_guitarist | On 02 September 2018 - 19:50 PM UTC
Someone appears to have misunderstood exactly what this means. Setting a person to "Retired Person" strips out all data about that person apart from a name and an ID. They are in the game by name, nothing more. Setting Michael Carrick and Per Mertesacker to this does not make them staff members, it gets rid of all of their data which is why they don't appear in-game in their correct roles.

This person type should only be set on people who have retired from football completely and have no active participation in football anyway. You should be using the person type "Non-Player" for players who retire and go into coaching/management.



I agree - this seems to happen a lot for some reason on here - I don’t think we should ‘retire’ players who have staff roles in game and have become purely a ‘staff’ member. Just change their particular role at the club to a staff role, otherwise if they are ‘retired’ they are missing from the game completely.

A few other examples include, Johnie Jackson, Grant Holt, Chris Cohen...
SirTAVARES
13 years ago
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05 Sep 2018 18:12:11
thats nor easy to do automatically

players have to be changed to staff

PA/CA has to be added
Attributes must be set, etc
LBOW6
11 years ago
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06 Sep 2018 08:52:48
By SirTAVARES | On 05 September 2018 - 18:12 PM UTC
thats nor easy to do automatically

players have to be changed to staff

PA/CA has to be added
Attributes must be set, etc


But if these players already have a staff profile with statistics they can be changed to just a staff role already?

kingrobbo
16 years ago
22 hours ago
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10 Sep 2018 20:54:28
there are lots of failed changes in the DB here due to this issue

it happens when a player leaves a club and on an earlier draft of the update to the file he is set as retired(wrongly IMO and thus taking him out of the game)
later on that ex player takes a non playing job and the DB is updated again but these changes fail due to the retired issue

once again IMO when this happens just change him to a non player its simple and easy to do that way he is still in the DB and can be edited later to take up his new job etc etc

for those who are not aware its not the end of the World... you can get the retired person back via the changes tab under his details select the retired one and remove follow the prompts save and reload DB you may on some occasions have to do this twice due to a slight bug with the editor(remember to back the file up first)

it can be time consuming if you have to do loads but you can get the person back in game and his failed changes will now work correctly, in the last file there are 27 so not too bad the likes of Mertesacker/Carrick who should definitely be in the DB as they have very high profile positions in the game now

There is another workaround if you are in a save-

using the SI IGE you can edit a person in the DB say a regen to be the retired ex player hope this helps but as MG @metal_guitarist says in the OP the retired option is not being used correctly which is a shame as the huge work done here creating the file is fantastic and much appreciated but this needs addressing
LBOW6
11 years ago
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13 Sep 2018 09:36:15
By kingrobbo | On 10 September 2018 - 20:54 PM UTC
there are lots of failed changes in the DB here due to this issue

it happens when a player leaves a club and on an earlier draft of the update to the file he is set as retired(wrongly IMO and thus taking him out of the game)
later on that ex player takes a non playing job and the DB is updated again but these changes fail due to the retired issue

once again IMO when this happens just change him to a non player its simple and easy to do that way he is still in the DB and can be edited later to take up his new job etc etc

for those who are not aware its not the end of the World... you can get the retired person back via the changes tab under his details select the retired one and remove follow the prompts save and reload DB you may on some occasions have to do this twice due to a slight bug with the editor(remember to back the file up first)

it can be time consuming if you have to do loads but you can get the person back in game and his failed changes will now work correctly, in the last file there are 27 so not too bad the likes of Mertesacker/Carrick who should definitely be in the DB as they have very high profile positions in the game now

There is another workaround if you are in a save-

using the SI IGE you can edit a person in the DB say a regen to be the retired ex player hope this helps but as MG @metal_guitarist says in the OP the retired option is not being used correctly which is a shame as the huge work done here creating the file is fantastic and much appreciated but this needs addressing


I know @Rob was hopefully going to take a look at this...
kingrobbo
16 years ago
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13 Sep 2018 09:39:48
I've just edited the file myself as outlined in my earlier post
LBOW6
11 years ago
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13 Sep 2018 11:19:35
By kingrobbo | On 13 September 2018 - 09:39 AM UTC
I've just edited the file myself as outlined in my earlier post


But you can only do this with the ingame editor surely?
kingrobbo
16 years ago
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13 Sep 2018 18:00:47
By LBOW6 | On 13 September 2018 - 11:19 AM UTC
But you can only do this with the ingame editor surely?


I outlined what to do with both pre game and IGE above
Will be time consuming if you want to bring every retired ex player back. Ones with failed changes not too bad
LBOW6
11 years ago
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20 Sep 2018 05:18:27
By kingrobbo | On 13 September 2018 - 18:00 PM UTC
I outlined what to do with both pre game and IGE above
Will be time consuming if you want to bring every retired ex player back. Ones with failed changes not too bad


I’ve never used the IGE so won’t try it.

Another example is Graham Stack who has a player/staff profile in game. He has just retired as a player and become an U18 coach at Watford
kingrobbo
16 years ago
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20 Sep 2018 05:23:36
Ok use the pre game editor

There are lots of examples of ex players who should be in the DB but aren't due to this. Time consuming but worth it if you want a realistic current DB ....if you did them all FM19 will be out

Footygamer
20 years ago
4 months ago
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21 Sep 2018 14:09:36
Can someone test what happens to Michael Carrick in the latest DB please: https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-data-update/player/122025#change_225827

Does he become a staff member at United?
SrWer
13 years ago
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22 Sep 2018 14:30:04
@Rob He is currently assistant manager of Jose Mourinho.
LBOW6
11 years ago
42 minutes ago
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06 Oct 2018 08:46:11
It appears we have finally got this to work!

If you set the players role to ‘released’ instead retired, and then just set their staff profile to whatever role they have at the club.

Perhaps this useful info could be shared - as I know there are other examples apart from Carrick!
kingrobbo
16 years ago
22 hours ago
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07 Oct 2018 23:38:00
What is happening here is as I pointed out earlier in the thread
The guys here are putting out hourly updates to the DB and to keep up with real life events which is great but also uneccesary do a weekly one or leave it until the end of the window

This will stop issues like this happening and not create work
Eg Carrick is set to retire in one update then later on he is given the ass man job so causes probs with being now retired etc etc
kingrobbo
16 years ago
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07 Oct 2018 23:38:03
Duplicate post
LBOW6
11 years ago
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05 Dec 2018 13:46:09
So I started a new game earlier today.

Both Joe Cole (and Robbie Keane were in game but set as players only still and had no staff role.

Could we try setting both individuals ‘player profiles’ as ‘Free Agents’ (effectively unretiring them) and then setting there staff profiles to there relevant role?
felipe18
9 years ago
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23 Oct 2025 23:23:10

There seems to be an issue with this same “retired person” thing in the current FM24 data update. The file with problem is “sortitoutsi.net FM24 Data Update - Contracts”

 

All players in the current data update that had their “person type” changed to “retired” disappeared from the game. This means that, if they were somewhere in the game history, their name is now a blank space. This happens, for instance, with R9 Ronaldo, Toni Kroos, etc. R9's name is a blank space in the world's best player award. And both, R9 and Kroos, are blank space in the Real Madrid's icons/favoured personnel list. This happens not only with them, but with all retired persons that were somewhere in the history of the game…award winners, club icons/legends, etc.

 

Not sure it this is the correct topic/forum for this. Anyway, i hope it helps.

 

Thanks

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