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By Telegram Sam | Permalink | On 10 November 2012 - 00:55 AM
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Correlation =/= Causation.
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By Franck | Permalink | On 10 November 2012 - 11:34 AM
Correlation =/= Causation.

Regardless, I don't see why anyone thinks it's interesting that the most conservative states were the ones most resistant to massive social change.
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Travelled to London today for something vaguely political, I'm sure you know what I mean.
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Favourite post-war party leaders (UK)? [those who were PM have a *beside]

1. Attlee*
2. Wilson*
3. Gaitskell
4. Smith
5. Foot
6. Blair*
7. Kinnock
8. Brown*
9. Callaghan*
10. Miliband

1. Heath*
2. Macmillan*
3. Major*

=Churchill*
=Cameron*
=Thatcher*
=Howard
=Duncan-Smith
=Hague
=Douglas-Home*
=Eden*

All those in = are just awful.
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Margaret Thatcher was clearly both the best party-leader as well as the best PM.
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By Franck | Permalink | On 16 November 2012 - 00:09 AM
Margaret Thatcher was clearly both the best party-leader as well as the best PM.

Fuck you, Franck. Fuck you.
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James Callaghan - better than Churchill.
You heard it here first.
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Fuck Churchill. Sacrificed so many Australian lives for no reason and then tried to stop us defending ourselves against the Japanese.
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By DB | Permalink | On 16 November 2012 - 02:31 AM
Fuck Churchill. Sacrificed so many Australian lives for no reason and then tried to stop us defending ourselves against the Japanese.

As shitty as it sounds defending Australia was unimportant.

We could have lost WW2 on every theatre except from Europe and we still would have won, conversely, if we'd lost in Europe then victories outside of that theatre were meaningless.

I'm not trying to belittle Australia's contribution to the war effort, it was vast, there just wasn't any justification for diverting resources towards the defence of Australia.
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By duckeggmoon | Permalink | On 16 November 2012 - 00:11 AM
Fuck you, Franck. Fuck you.

In all honesty I'm just trying to bait Mr Willy into insulting me or Jaygull into writing some political essay again.
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By Franck | Permalink | On 16 November 2012 - 00:09 AM
Margaret Thatcher was clearly both the best party-leader as well as the best PM.

Get a time-machine, visit Northern England or Scotland in 1979 to 1997. Her economics may have encouraged falling unemployment (after it touched 3,000,000), and falling inflation. GDP may have grown, but it was all at the expense of taking jobs from the industrial areas and making jobs in vastly more profifitable areas in the South and London. There were riots, strikes- and after she destroyed much of the North- she gave us no alternative. There were no jobs.
Social services, such as Healthcare and Education were in tatters. Poor infrastructure, poor quality of care. On that respect, 'New' Labour did very well after 1997. Poverty and inequality rose hugely. She was not the best
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You like Blair and Brown so you are clearly mentally unstable.
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By Tiki Tapas | Permalink | On 16 November 2012 - 08:04 AM
Get a time-machine, visit Northern England or Scotland in 1979 to 1997. Her economics may have encouraged falling unemployment (after it touched 3,000,000), and falling inflation. GDP may have grown, but it was all at the expense of taking jobs from the industrial areas and making jobs in vastly more profifitable areas in the South and London. There were riots, strikes- and after she destroyed much of the North- she gave us no alternative. There were no jobs.
Social services, such as Healthcare and Education were in tatters. Poor infrastructure, poor quality of care. On that respect, 'New' Labour did very well after 1997. Poverty and inequality rose hugely. She was not the best

I don't really see the issue with the bolded part. Jobs are not a human right, having jobs where you happen to live is even less so.
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Fucking hell the government should take a beating over this.

£100m wasted on elections for a role that doesn't need them, no one knows what it is and no one could be bothered to vote for.

Farcical.
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Churchill's indirect massacre of millions of Indians is probably more worthy as a reason for him to be down the list. Clement Attlee built the UK and brought it into the modern age, whilst Thatcher did her best for sell off the country's assets to the highest bidder, often with the support of public funds anyway. Our rail and bus systems are pathetic in comparison with our European counterparts, the private gas companies are currently under investigation for a Libor-style rigging of the prices because of the free-market nonsense that she instigated, and she was also a homophobic racist.

For more information as to why she is as risible a politician as she was a human being:

http://neilharding.blogspot.co.uk/2005/10/20-reasons-why-i-hate-thatcher.html

http://stumblingandmumbling.typepad.com/stumbling_and_mumbling/2005/10/against_thatche.html
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Churchill was a crap peace-time PM.
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By duckeggmoon | Permalink | On 16 November 2012 - 13:48 PM
Churchill was a crap peace-time PM.

Yes, yes he was.

Churchill was great for what he did during the war. But I think people get confused between Churchill the symbol, and I think there is some argument to say that a deliberate cult of personality was formed around him during War time in order to inspire, and Churchill the man.
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By Ninja | Permalink | On 16 November 2012 - 12:16 PM
Fucking hell the government should take a beating over this.

£100m wasted on elections for a role that doesn't need them, no one knows what it is and no one could be bothered to vote for.

Farcical.

Don't worry, they can always make that back by cutting NHS funding. No worries.
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It's not a cut, it's a 'saving'.
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By Telegram Sam | Permalink | On 16 November 2012 - 14:02 PM
Don't worry, they can always make that back by cutting NHS funding. No worries.


NHS? You bunch of Commys !

Also on another political note is anyone else getting increasingly worried about the situation in the ME? Tensions do seem at boiling point and thought of Iran and the US getting involved is scary.
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By Franck | Permalink | On 16 November 2012 - 02:48 AM
In all honesty I'm just trying to bait Mr Willy into insulting me or Jaygull into writing some political essay again.

You should've asked me to say something then. Or say Ayn Rand had some good points.
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You make lists of favourite politicians? Bet you're great fun at parties.
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By Phoenix Arrow | Permalink | On 16 November 2012 - 17:19 PM
Ayn Rand had some good points.

Fuck you, PA. Fuck you.
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By DB | Permalink | On 16 November 2012 - 14:59 PM
NHS? You bunch of Commys !

Also on another political note is anyone else getting increasingly worried about the situation in the ME? Tensions do seem at boiling point and thought of Iran and the US getting involved is scary.

It is, but there's always been trouble in the Middle East. Not really sure how today's environment compares.
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By Telegram Sam | Permalink | On 16 November 2012 - 20:11 PM
It is, but there's always been trouble in the Middle East. Not really sure how today's environment compares.

Well it seems Hamas sent a rocket to blow up the Israeli parliament today. So I'm guessing not great.
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By Phoenix Arrow | Permalink | On 16 November 2012 - 20:23 PM
Well it seems Hamas sent a rocket to blow up the Israeli parliament today. So I'm guessing not great.


First rocket they fired since the truce day before yesterday and the naval bombardment from Israel yesterday.
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By jumberto | Permalink | On 16 November 2012 - 19:19 PM
You make lists of favourite politicians? Bet you're great fun at parties.

Actually, I don't take my laptop and visit these forums at parties- so yeah, I'm fine.
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Anyone reckon Spain will be a block to a potentially independent Scotland? They don't recognise Kosovo and apparently they're worried that if Scotland were to declare independence via a referendum, and they could try to block Scottish membership of the European Union to prevent Catalonia from attempting such a move.

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