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I'm in my final term at university and one of my modules this term is comprised completely of a 3,000-word statistics project. I did one last term and it was pretty dull, but this time around we have the freedom to choose whatever we want to study and I'm planning on doing a football/sport related one. I need a topic that has easily-retrievable data, but apart from that it's pretty open. One of the examples given to us was to examine the relationship between a country's GDP per capita and the number of gold medals it won at an Olympic Games.

The idea I like most at the moment was examining how beneficial parachute payments are for recently relegated Championship clubs in their attempts to get back into the Premier League, and whether or not they have a distinct advantage over other clubs in the division who don't have access to these funds. I'd test this by looking over a 5-10 year period and seeing how well relegated clubs fared in their promotion challenge compared to those who hadn't come down from the Premier League and see if there was a correlation. I like this idea but fear it might be quite tough to gather all the data and could be pretty long-winded.

Any ideas?
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Maybe analyse financial power in certain standards of leagues in the UK? And how well the clubs in those leagues do by comparison? Bit of a shit idea but something to start off
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By RhylFCKiko | Permalink | On 16 February 2013 - 22:54 PM
Maybe analyse financial power in certain standards of leagues in the UK? And how well the clubs in those leagues do by comparison? Bit of a shit idea but something to start off

I like the idea but I feel like that would be a difficult idea to quantify.
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Something fan related like how many a club has within a certain radius of the stadium or something, I DON'T KNOW.

Probably be impossible to do anyway.
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I like your parachute payment idea.
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I'd be amazed if you could get even semi-accurate data for the parachute payments.
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By Flash. | Permalink | On 17 February 2013 - 01:54 AM
I'd be amazed if you could get even semi-accurate data for the parachute payments.

Yeah, that was my thinking. I'd find it interesting but it'd probably turn out to be a nightmare.
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I think you need to be realistic and go with something that won't be that difficult to get.

Something like a comparison of money spent to points or attendance to points.

Or if you want to go a bit further looking into the GDP of the city in relation to attendance and points.

Remember 3,000 words isn't a lot, you can't be going into too much detail.
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By Flash. | Permalink | On 17 February 2013 - 01:54 AM
I'd be amazed if you could get even semi-accurate data for the parachute payments.


Why?

Parachute payments 2011-12:

Club Payment Position

West Ham £15.5m 3

Birmingham £15.5m 4

Blackpool £15.5m 5

Middlesbro £4m 7

Hull City £12m 8

Burnley £12m 13

Portsmouth £12m 22

Parachute payments 2012-13:

Club Payment Position

Hull City £8m 2

Burnley £8m 12

Blackpool £13m 14

Blackburn £16m 13

Bolton £16m 16

Wolves £16m 18

Birmingham £13m 20

Portsmouth £8m 22(L1)
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Do something about away support compared to miles travelled throughout the leagues or something (only because we'd surely get a mention).
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By Vercoe | Permalink | On 17 February 2013 - 07:18 AM
Do something about away support compared to miles travelled throughout the leagues or something (only because we'd surely get a mention).

That wouldn't really say or prove anything though.
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By Shola | Permalink | On 17 February 2013 - 03:39 AM
Why?

Parachute payments 2011-12:

Club Payment Position

West Ham £15.5m 3

Birmingham £15.5m 4

Blackpool £15.5m 5

Middlesbro £4m 7

Hull City £12m 8

Burnley £12m 13

Portsmouth £12m 22

Parachute payments 2012-13:

Club Payment Position

Hull City £8m 2

Burnley £8m 12

Blackpool £13m 14

Blackburn £16m 13

Bolton £16m 16

Wolves £16m 18

Birmingham £13m 20

Portsmouth £8m 22(L1)


I meant more that if you wanted to go with the parachute payment idea, you'd really need to go into the finances of each club, which would be very difficult to get.

You can't just say 'X clubs were more successful because of parachute payments' without taking into consideration wages, match day income, rich owners, loans etc.

I'd try and stay away from anything involving clubs finances, there's too many variables.
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By Flash. | Permalink | On 18 February 2013 - 01:25 AM
I meant more that if you wanted to go with the parachute payment idea, you'd really need to go into the finances of each club, which would be very difficult to get.

You can't just say 'X clubs were more successful because of parachute payments' without taking into consideration wages, match day income, rich owners, loans etc.

I'd try and stay away from anything involving clubs finances, there's too many variables.



Don't all clubs publish their accounts?
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By Shola | Permalink | On 18 February 2013 - 18:15 PM
Don't all clubs publish their accounts?

I thought only public limited companies were obliged to publish their accounts and private limited companies didn't have to?

I don't know how many clubs are PLC and how many are LTD though.
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Thanks for all of the suggestions guys, I have to submit my proposal by Wednesday afternoon so I'll probably make a decision by tomorrow night.
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As someone said you could look at size/population of town/city, the GDP of that area and the effectiveness of that club in terms of years spent in the top flight, FA Cup/League wins, or something. It's fairly easy to find that sort of information. Steers you away from dastardly club finances.

You could also look at minor things within that, so for example relation of the area to former industry. Do clubs up North do better than down South on average, considering all the above variables.

If course you need to reason that external investment is a factor (ie Man City) but it shouldn't really matter on a 3000 word assignment.

A few ideas, but I'm firmly in the discipline of History/Archaeology so maybe someone more acquainted with stats/economics with be able to offer something more worthwhile.
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By Justicar | Permalink | On 19 February 2013 - 10:51 AM
As someone said you could look at size/population of town/city, the GDP of that area and the effectiveness of that club in terms of years spent in the top flight, FA Cup/League wins, or something. It's fairly easy to find that sort of information. Steers you away from dastardly club finances.

You could also look at minor things within that, so for example relation of the area to former industry. Do clubs up North do better than down South on average, considering all the above variables.

If course you need to reason that external investment is a factor (ie Man City) but it shouldn't really matter on a 3000 word assignment.

A few ideas, but I'm firmly in the discipline of History/Archaeology so maybe someone more acquainted with stats/economics with be able to offer something more worthwhile.

Thanks, there's a couple of great ideas in there. You're right about looking into club's finances, it'd only prove to be a pain.
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Have you read Why England Lose (or Soccernomics) by Simon Kuper and Stefan Szymanski? You might be able to swipe an idea from there.
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By TomDixon77 | Permalink | On 19 February 2013 - 16:23 PM
Have you read Why England Lose (or Soccernomics) by Simon Kuper and Stefan Szymanski? You might be able to swipe an idea from there.

I was going to suggest that. For instance I know they covered the transfer/wage spending vs. results idea that came up earlier in the thread.
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By Telegram Sam | Permalink | On 19 February 2013 - 15:24 PM
Thanks, there's a couple of great ideas in there. You're right about looking into club's finances, it'd only prove to be a pain.


Also I meant to mention attendances in that. That fits well with gdp and looking at population compared to it etc.
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By TomDixon77 | Permalink | On 19 February 2013 - 16:23 PM
Have you read Why England Lose (or Soccernomics) by Simon Kuper and Stefan Szymanski? You might be able to swipe an idea from there.

I haven't, unfortunately. I have to submit my proposal by 4pm tomorrow so don't have much time.
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Okay, an idea.

I'm thinking I could focus on the composition of Premier League squads and see how that relates to a side's performance in the league. I could see if sides with a higher percentage of British nationals perform better or worse than those with more foreigners, as well as seeing how the average age of squads relate to success. I could then compare these results from the 2011/12 season, for example, with the 2006/07 season, and see if trends have changed over the five years.

Any feedback or ideas as to how I could flesh this out a bit?
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Ooh, I've got another one.

There's much discussion about how the influx of foreign players into the Premier League has diluted the quality of the national side as it stifles the progression of young English players coming through the ranks at top clubs. I could compare the Premier League with a few other top leagues in Europe (La Liga, Bundesliga, Ligue 1, Serie A and the Eredivise, as a start) and see if there's a correlation between the ratio of nationals and foreigners and the success of the respective national sides in major tournaments. The results would be pretty interesting but I worry it might be tough getting accurate data for this study from years gone by.
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By Telegram Sam | Permalink | On 20 February 2013 - 02:26 AM
Ooh, I've got another one.

There's much discussion about how the influx of foreign players into the Premier League has diluted the quality of the national side as it stifles the progression of young English players coming through the ranks at top clubs. I could compare the Premier League with a few other top leagues in Europe (La Liga, Bundesliga, Ligue 1, Serie A and the Eredivise, as a start) and see if there's a correlation between the ratio of nationals and foreigners and the success of the respective national sides in major tournaments. The results would be pretty interesting but I worry it might be tough getting accurate data for this study from years gone by.

That's one of the things covered by Why England Lose.

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