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#27782 English Premier League 2012/2013
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Bargain of the season. Tettey is.
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#27768 The Night Thread Mk. IX
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He ain't got nothing on Frode Olsen.
#27580 Homeland
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Why does every half decent TV show has to have a well annoying female character in it nowadays? Margaret in Boardwalk Empire, Skylar in Breaking Bad and Dana (and sometimes) Jess/Carrie in this. It's doing my head in at the moment.

This show definitely has it's moments now and then, but still think it's a tad overrated.
#27134 The Scandinavian Football Thread
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Haha, minnows Hødd won the Norwegian cup today having beat Tromsø on penalties in the final. That's quite remarkable, considering they saved themselves from relegation to the 3rd tier on better goal difference.
#26170 The Lower League Thread
#26119 The Scandinavian Football Thread
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Brian Deane has been appointed new coach of Sarpsborg 08 who gained promotion for next season's Tippeligaen this year. Don't have a clue of what to expect from him, other than the fact he's going to be the first ever black coach in the Norwegian Premier Division.
#26117 Europa League 2012/13 - Now NOT Featuring Falcao
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Chibuike show.
#26104 The Lower League Thread
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Joshua King on loan to Blackburn. Interesting deal, hope he stays injury-free.
#26097 Transfer Rumours 2013/14
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David Moyes in the stands at the Molde - FC København game. I'd expect Vegard Forren to be presented as new Everton player in short time, Moyes was present at Norway's win against Hungary during the latest int. break as well.
#26088 Europa League 2012/13 - Now NOT Featuring Falcao
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By Jay. | Permalink | On 22 November 2012 - 20:48 PM
Rade Prica LOL....


Good way to finish his career at the club, which he most likely will seeing his contract runs out in a months' time and he won't renew it.

He's been one of our better signings actually, bought for £750K and ended up with 57 league goals in 104 league apps over four seasons.

Today's game:

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Prize money + dead important seeding points for next year
Got the win on a bad day

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The football we produced
Jönsson's still at the club with a win
#26062 Europa League 2012/13 - Now NOT Featuring Falcao
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By A Little Bit Of Merson Magic | Permalink | On 22 November 2012 - 20:31 PM
One day, YOUR FUCKING CLUB WILL ACTUALLY DO ME A FAVOUR IN A BET!

I used to really like Rosenborg (goes back to when they were actually a really good side), but now I HATE THEM.


Unfortunately our sporting director Erik Hoftun and coach Jan Jönsson are pissing on the club built up by legendary coach Nils Arne Eggen. We used to play attacking, Rinus Michels-inspired football and could take on any European side at Lerkendal with realistic chances of winning. Those days are far gone now and I'm not (only) blaming the modernisation of football for that.

Hahaha... we just turned it around to 3-2! Doesn't change what I just said though.
#26056 Europa League 2012/13 - Now NOT Featuring Falcao
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Rapid Wien just turned around our 1-0 lead. Seriously.

R.I.P Rosenborg Ballklub.

1917 - 22.11.2012.
#25460 Welcome To Stamford Bridge
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#24576 Boardwalk Empire
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Capo.

Oh, and they should have used Petter Solberg as research for the English speaking Norwegians on the show... the accent they had in the latest episode was awful to say the least and nothing like how it really is.
#24426 The Italian Football Thread
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Haha, the two own goals at San Siro and Luigi Ferraris respectively looked highly suspicious if you ask me...



Good goal from Gila. Four red cards in that match as well.
#24424 The Night Thread Mk. IX
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By K3V0 | Permalink | On 18 November 2012 - 15:22 PM
GSP v Carlos Condit was a fucking epic fight.


Apart from the technical aspect of the game, GSP's well boring to watch when he brings his opponent to the floor though...

Johnny Hendricks! Kampmann got knocked tha fuck out, literally! Pablo Garza looked good too.
#24422 This Israel-Palestine bullshit
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Theory: Had Palestine had the same type of military/artillery as Israel there would've been peace within ... let's say three weeks. Would have forced Israel into rational thinking/acting.
#24094 What Are You Listening To?
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Now that's a beat to my taste. Alchemistttt.
#22645 The England National Team
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Take that English pundits! Haha. Ibracadabra.
#22058 Transfer Rumours 2013/14
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Messi's been kidnapped. Let's guess where he ends up...
#21441 The Scandinavian Football Thread
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Winning two in a row is a much bigger achievement than winning the title once, I'll give Solskjær that. It's just that we're so bloody awful.

It's google translate, but anyway... here is a good piece on what we've been doing wrong and still are.

Hoftun own goal
It was Erik Hoftun who led the revolt against former coach Ola By Rise in 2004. The uprising was also the beginning of the end for Rosenborg's heyday.

All successful football clubs have a competitive advantage. In most cases it is a matter of money, one can buy the best of managers, coaches and players. Few teams have anything else. A philosophy which is materialized in the organization and style of play.

The clubs I first think of Ajax and Rosenborg. Ajax won six championships between 1965 and 1973, and won the European Cup three years in a row at the start of the 70th century. Rosenborg won the Premier League thirteen consecutive seasons, from 1992 to 2004, and qualified for the Champions League every year from 1995 to 2003.

Thus, stable perform very well over time.

Naturally creates success a competitive advantage in the form of higher public, sponsorship, Champions League and television revenue. But for those clubs was never money essentials.

Rinus Michels took over Ajax as coach in 1965. He quickly turned the club head. Here are some of the changes he made:

Playstyle: He introduced and developed total football. All players should be able to play any position on the field, and all players should remain in an attack or in defense. In practice this means that all the team's players to take over all the roles of others at all times, requiring good collaboration. Last, but perhaps most importantly, it was important to have the ball in the team.

Philosophy: The bedrock of Michel's work was what later was called "Michels" method. The lagbyggingsprosessen is the key. One of the main points was a common understanding of how you want to play, this was also evident in the training. Specific tactical training in small and large groups was another key factor. You'd make each other better and be learning-oriented, and not least - players would be playing on what they were good at. This requires a good, open communication and a common cultural platform, said Michels. Therefore, you want to do everything possible to recruit players from their own youth department or neighborhoods that have received training in the club's philosophy and style of play. Youth Department will run learning oriented and not competitive.

It was also the Netherlands and Ajax Nils Arne Eggen went on a study tour in the 70s. Here he picked up the total football and "Michels model", which later became the basis for "rosenborg style" and "good terms-theory."

Asked by Josimar in 2010 about the theories are relatively equal, he replied:

"They are very similar. Good terms is the one interaction theory which involves precisely the total football requires. Everybody should play in the roles they thrive in. Made hangs together 100 percent. Players can use their godføtter. "

Or as Eggen brilliant summed good terms-theory: You are good by making the other good.

A common understanding of how you want to play and a common cultural platform seemed to be central to both teams' success. Take a look at these team news:

RBK-Real Madrid 2-0 in 1997: Jamtfall - Heggem, Bragstad, Hoftun, Bergdølmo - Beach, Skammelsrud, Berg - Brattbakk, Rushfeldt and Jakobsen.


Six trøndere, three northerners and two from Oslo. A homogeneous group where most of this time had played a long time in the club and had time to develop.

Ajax's starting line-up in the Champions League final against AC Milan in 1995 (1-0): Van der Sar, Reiziger, Blind, Rijkaard, F. de Boer, Seedorf, George, David, R. de Boer, Litmanen, Overmars.

Nine Dutch, where seven came from a private academy, one from Nigeria and one from Finland. Mostly players who came through the club in the late 80's, after Johan Cruyff had re-introduced "Michels model" of the club. A very homogeneous group with great knowledge of the philosophy and style of play.

But then it stopped repeating the success. For both clubs.

In the mid-90th century was Louis van Gaal change in philosophy. Military discipline was introduced in both the A team and the youth academy. Learning model and good terms theory was abandoned in favor of fat tests and competitive orientation. But perhaps most importantly, if a player was sold, he had to be replaced by an equally good player right away. Ergo, you should buy rather than develop.

In the past 17 years, Ajax only won the series five times and not won any international titles.

Now, Johan Cruyff returned to the club to implement a plan called "The Future," which in practice is "Michels" method back into Ajax. The club has won the league championship two years in a row.

21.10.04 was the date Padres philosophy, as we knew it died. It was the day Ola By Rise had to leave the club as coach.

Erik Hoftun (who played his worst season in Rosenborg ever) and a group of older players led a revolt against his former teammate. Dissatisfaction centered primarily on Rise By performing on the pitch. The arguments were that the City Rise vague and weak.

So - Rosenborg coach fired because he did not give clear enough instructions. Ola By Rise adjusted their style of management in training, won the league and qualified for the Champions League Rosenborg (the second-last in the series).

It should also be noted that when Pep Guardiola was head coach of Barcelona, ​​he brought Juanma Lello as a mentor throughout the first year. Barcelona is perhaps the club in the world that has adopted Rinus Michels thoughts to the fullest. Ola By Rise had no mentor. Those who would do him good, got kicked him either.

Erik Hoftun has later as sports director took further steps away from philosophy Nils Arne Eggen created. And continuity, a keyword to replicate success, is gone. Since By Rise disappeared from RBK barracks, Per Joar Hansen, Per Mathias Høgmo, Trond Henriksen, Erik Hamre and Nils Arne Eggen led Rosenborg, with varying degrees of success and different styles of play. Now is the Jan Jönsson who have the heavy task of bringing Tronds back to the top and into Europe.

Here is a RBK starting line of this year: Orlunden, Høiland, Wang Berg Larsen, Dorsin, Dockal, Henriksen, Issah, Svensson, Iversen and Chibuike.

Fire trøndere, two from Sweden, one from Denmark, one from the Czech Republic, one from Nigeria and one from Ghana and one from Kongsvinger. A clear paradigm shift since the glory days.

Since 2005, RBK "only" won three of seven possible championships and qualified once for the Champions League. A bit ironic is it that during Erik Hoftun regime as sports director, they have never qualified for the Champions League.

Unlike Ajax, Rosenborg has taken a further step away from its initial philosophy. The first steps were taken by the kicking of Ola By Rise. Postulate was abandoned. Ajax went many lean years before they realized that they had to go back to their original values. I think Rosenborg will go many lean years in the face, before they come to the same realization.


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#21248 The Scandinavian Football Thread
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I'm completely indifferent to the club at the moment, scares me a bit. Fredrikstad just went 1-0 up against us, but I couldn't give a damn. If only Jönsson were to be removed before next season.
#21194 English Premier League 2012/2013
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Suarez feeling bad for injuring a like-minded.
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#20801 English Premier League 2012/2013
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Comeback kings.
#20755 English Premier League 2012/2013
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Clearly jinxed it with all the pre-match talk about Villa Park being such a comfortable and good away ground for United.
#20667 English Premier League 2012/2013
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Justice done... oh, and Arteta should not have taken it, played without confidence all night.
#20640 English Premier League 2012/2013
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How cool of a penalty is that. Lazy Bulgarian haha.
#20345 Transfer Rumours 2013/14
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By Tiki Tapas | Permalink | On 09 November 2012 - 21:32 PM
Is Hovland staying in Norway, Jonas?


He's been out injured with a torn ACL since August so yeah, he's staying for the moment.