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#61015 2 Tactic package: dominate, control, score lots of goals
Miguel Alves
Yes, closing down all
Tactics may need some changes due to the new patch update.
#59636 2 Tactic package: dominate, control, score lots of goals
Miguel Alves
#59545 2 Tactic package: dominate, control, score lots of goals
Miguel Alves
It seems to work fine with the new update patch. I'm testing with Stoke City, pick the team at half of the season and I have been able to lead the team until now to 7th place (start training in November, currently in January) from 11th place.
1) It's important to start the game as soon as possible, like June, it will provide enough time to play friendly matches. During stage choose physical training at maximum intensity and when friendly matches start change to team work. During this period match training should be at maximum also, you can work attack movement or the several options until start of the season. When season starts reduce general training to medium intensity and pick team work and reduce match training to 20 or 30% (up to you) attacking movement.
2) Prefered moves should be worked as soon pre-season starts, check if your players have already some prefered moves and if they do and if these oppose to possesion they must be untrained (example: player prefered move Long Shots = untrained player). Players should be able to tackle opponents, tight marking, plays one-twos, play simple, and they must NOT run with ball (if player runs with the ball and do not have good attributes, likely we will loose it)
3) Chating and lectures are very important because it enhances moral. Sometimes I let my assistant coach talk to press before games and it is NOT a good option, because usually players get angry with what he says. So, loose some time talking with press, lecturing and chating... it's bored but it pays off :-) Before match collective lecture should be "I expect a win" (not sure if this is the correct lecture in english, check it), and individual lecture "I have confidence in you". At half-time even if you are winning do NOT lecture players that they are playing well, instead tell they can do better (collective and individual). After the game, one or two days after, chat with players, check the their game stats and tell them and glamorize them.
#58552 Let's Talk | Tactics | Style - Video series dedicated to helping you improv
Miguel Alves
#56997 2 Tactic package: dominate, control, score lots of goals
Miguel Alves
Hi,
For the last months I have been trying (like so many of us) to replicate Barcelona's tiki-taka. After long hours of reading and several experiences with other tactics that pretended the same, I have come to the conclusion that it's impossible. Why? For several reasons, starting that Barcelona in the same match uses several tactical options of FM 2013 at the same time. Example: Control but all out attack. First of all, you have to be able to set your team to keep passing the ball at opponent's half pitch and this is achieveable with an overcharge strategy, but doing this will leave your defence at the mercy of opponent counter-attack even if you set your defence line deeper.
Well, since this is not the thread to discuss this I will just present what I have come to...
Tactic
Both tactics are a 4-3-3 (FM calls it 4-5-1, some users 4-1-2-2-1). Tactic 29 is a Control-Fluid tactic, offers more possession but for sure players will score lots of goals; Tactic 38 is an all out attack-very fluid tactic, pretends to crush opponents but you will suffer also more goals. I use both playing the same match, usually start with 38 and at half-time switch to 29 if I'm not pleased with the score.
Results
League Table (half season)
Champions League (Group Stage)
Start the season in June in order to play several pre-season matches. It's VERY IMPORTANT prefered moves training, develop all aspects that enhances possession (play simple, likes one-twos, etc, etc).
Lectures
I prefered to give lectures to players, although I do not know the options in english. Collective Lectures: something like Assertive "I expect a win" and individual (both before the match) I have confidence.
Private Chat with player
One or two days after each match, private chat with each player... something like he's playing very well.
Do not try this tactics with lower league teams
Download Tactic29
Download Tactic38
Opposition Insctrutions:
All Players: Pressure: always and Weaker Foot
#54829 4-3-3 a portuguese tiki-taka
Miguel Alves
Oh... and don't try to test it with lower league teams, with this new update from SI Games it's kind of impossible to this teams to play possession football.
#53555 4-3-3 a portuguese tiki-taka
Miguel Alves
http://www.mediafire.com/?rvsaly3zr3xfa99
#53525 4-3-3 a portuguese tiki-taka
Miguel Alves
#53445 4-3-3 a portuguese tiki-taka
Miguel Alves
#52936 4-3-3 a portuguese tiki-taka
Miguel Alves
Mentality is essential and also no runnings with ball, but if mentality is to low , player will just keep passing the ball back... but ok, this part is easy to adjust. With this line of thinking I have tried defenders with attacking mentality in order to them to pass the ball forward, with short pass of course, and forwards with lower mentality because if they do not find space to penetrate, give back the ball to midfield. Balance between mentality and creative freedom is vital because either they will try to move or pass forward without having space to do so or either they will just pass the ball back.
Some guys playing with lower league teams have midfielders with 150 passing, just seen a screenshot with 200 (!!!)
#52904 4-3-3 a portuguese tiki-taka
Miguel Alves
Cannot send it Mark, sorry mate, not ready yet. Everytime I think I have it something fails :-( but as soon as I have got it I will send it to you before posting.
So here is the tricky one: having ball possession it is easy, having ball possession and scoring a good amount of goals ( 3 or more average per game) it is also easy.... but how to have the midfielders with lots of passing instead of right and left defenders ??? Having these at 80, 90, 100 passes per game it is a done, my problem is to prevent this to happen and get the midfielders to have this kind of passing numbers.
#52581 4-3-3 a portuguese tiki-taka
Miguel Alves
Mark, I can tell you now. I have cracked it mate. After hours, days of researching, reading, trying, I have finally cracked it. Like everything else, now I can say... and it was so simple :-) There are out there some tiki-taka tactics but although they could be nice tactics, they simply do not work. Why? Well, Barcelona does not play with a rigid or counter-attack philosophy, neither an attacking strategy. It's about control and beeing fluid, two things that I already use in the first tactic. But there is something else extremly important, that makes total difference that nobody in FM uses, at least I never saw it in the other tactics... but this, I will reveal tomorrow with the tactic :-)
#52415 4-3-3 a portuguese tiki-taka
Miguel Alves
#52266 4-3-3 a portuguese tiki-taka
Miguel Alves
#51989 4-3-3 a portuguese tiki-taka
Miguel Alves
#51977 4-3-3 a portuguese tiki-taka
Miguel Alves
Tactic I shared here, possession average around 65%, pass completion near 90%.
The new one, that I have wrote some instructions, is arround 65-70%, pass completion also 90% (88, 89). I have some players that do not even miss one pass. Although they are instructed to pass to feet (and other specific instructions) they do not make a lot of passes... still :-) This is the part I am working on and I believe today I will have these detalis solved.
Remember, tiki-taka is all about control... control the space, control the ball, always keep the ball. Also it is NOT a rigid system, nor even 10 players plus a goal-keeper. No! And it is all about movement, so you have to keep the ball and keep moving to unbalance the opposite team.
I have read and tried a lot of tiki-taka tactics but they all fail as a tiki-taka system, because the instructions are simply wrong. I am not saying they are not good tactics, I believe they are, but they are not tiki-taka :-)
#51915 4-3-3 a portuguese tiki-taka
Miguel Alves
Did you try with the instructions I wrote?
#51566 4-3-3 a portuguese tiki-taka
Miguel Alves
Yesterday I have played 4 pre-season games: 11-0, 4-0, 3-1. 2-1... (all away games). Remember first games of Barcelona with Guardiola? They had even a few losses. My Ball possession always at 60-65%, worse case 20 shots, best case more than 30, long range shots very few (1/3 of total shots even less). Results are normal except 11-0 ( wow!!! ) but as I said players are tired (condition around 80-85% beginning of the game) due to pre-season and not full identified with tactic (bars are not yet full). Strangely they do not have a high number os passes (although a lot of players have pass percentage near 100%) , but I believe is because they do not need to since the teams played against were weak. Let's see the next games, I have 2 pre-season games at home and next Portuguese Supercup. Still, for those who like tiki-taka it is very enjoyable to watch players with this tactic :-) for those who find it boring, they will not like it :-)
#51552 4-3-3 a portuguese tiki-taka
Miguel Alves
There are a few things that are absolutely essential with any tactic: lectures and private chating with players to keep them motivated; and even more important, you have to work the prefered moves of each. This is really the secret, for instance you won't do anything with a tiki-taka system if your forwards like long range shots. So alongside with the new tactic I am training this aspect and there are some prefered moves that all your players must do: disarms adversaries, close marking, disable all long range shots, defenders and midfields also prefered move pass more and shot less.
More Training: Lateral defenders act as wing backs, defensive midfielders as they are, midfielders as box-to-box, attacking midfields (flank) as inside forward and striker as number 10.
Some general instructions:
Strategy: Control
Philosophy: very fluid
Passing: More Short Pass (player instructions bar totally to the left for all players)
Pressing: more pressing
Tacking: more agressive
Creative Freedom: standard (player instructions: none to all players, except box-to-box midfielders)
Roaming: more roaming
Tempo: slow (bar totally to the left and move 2 steps to the right)
Width: narrow (the same as above)
Marking: Zonal Marking
Player Instructions:
Mentality: change to attacking to all players
All players move from position
Closing Down: Full to all players
Tacking: agressive
All players set to run from deep always, except defensive midfielder, box to box midfielders and number 10 (these are to be set sometimes)
Creative freedom set to none to all players except box to box
Tight Marking set to all players
All bars in the menu alongside with passing type (run from deep, run with ball, etc, etc) set to rarely except:
a) attacking midfields (flank)
1- run from deep: always
2- run with ball: sometimes
3- through ball: always
4- crossing: sometimes
5- wide play: cuts inside
b) number 10
1- run from deep: sometimes (also rarely, it's an option)
2- run with ball: sometimes
3- through ball: sometimes
4- crossing: sometimes
5- wide play: move into channels
So, with these instructions players are set to move all the time looking for space and they are always receiving and passing the ball, receiving and passing the ball until opponent is tired :-)
#50891 4-3-3 a portuguese tiki-taka
Miguel Alves
#50869 4-3-3 a portuguese tiki-taka
Miguel Alves
#50842 Passing style & tempo
Miguel Alves
#50774 4-3-3 a portuguese tiki-taka
Miguel Alves
I think your tactic is lethal counter-attacking, it's a solid option to other teams rather than the big ones. Of course FC Porto is not at the top of the moutain :-) but it is a very good club with a solid european reputation and a club like FC Porto has to control the game and you can only control it if you have the ball :-)
How are you doing mate?
#50736 4-3-3 a portuguese tiki-taka
Miguel Alves
Bench instructions are to use with both tactics I gave you, with this long shots are a lot fewer
#50734 4-3-3 a portuguese tiki-taka
Miguel Alves
#50722 4-3-3 a portuguese tiki-taka
Miguel Alves
Also you giver the lectures to the player both collective and individual:
before the game: assertive I expect a win
end of 1st half: never say you are delighted, they won't play well in the 2nd half
end game: delighted
Also, day after game private chat with your players that they are playing well, they will be happy
#50715 4-3-3 a portuguese tiki-taka
Miguel Alves
use always this bench instructions
Bench Instructions Shouts
Sorry, it's in portuguese but I believe the order matches so you just have to corresponde one to another. Something like this, I do not know the exact terms in english:
-play from defence
- press deep
- agressive tackle
- play to ball to box
- play through defence
#50701 4-3-3 a portuguese tiki-taka
Miguel Alves
Game Statistics FC Porto vs Sporting CP
31 shots, 11 long range... it's not to much, you will also have some
Player Statistics FC Porto vs Sporting CP
Fernando made 127 passes(!!!) :-)
#50698 4-3-3 a portuguese tiki-taka
Miguel Alves
Try also this tactic, it's quite the same with some modifications... just won 3-1 away against Benfica
Tactic Download
#50613 4-3-3 a portuguese tiki-taka
Miguel Alves