This Israel-Palestine bullshit

Those are exactly the sort of missiles we are shooting down daily. Many were already taken down.

We went in and attacked because that is the only way to stop them from firing missiles at us. Last time we went in and did what we did it worked, until they started firing a mass amount of missiles at us. We don't usually attack them but when we do we do it well and we do what has to be done. We kill the people from the Hamas, we destroy ammo supplies. Sadly, they keep putting the innocent on top of those places.

Hundreds of missiles have been fired at us every day for a good while now, so yes, we do have the right to defend ourselves. We have people that get killed, just a lot less because we are ready for these kind of things.

Most of us see this from only one point of view. Being an Israeli, it is hard for me to defend Palestine, especially when I keep hearing about missile attacks. So why don't you guys try and look at it from different perspectives? Both sides are suffering but if the Hamas kept quite, none of this would have happened.

Just curious. Things must be pretty frantic over there right now?

Both sides are suffering but if the Hamas kept quite, none of this would have happened.

Ya, I live in the North but news keep on reporting about where the missiles hit and all that.

Also live about 30 minutes from one of the biggest Air Force bases in Israel so all you hear is the constant sound of fighter jets flying lower than usual.

Are you not fearful of being bombed or even killed, or do you live far enough away from the areas Palestine are bombing? I'd be shit scared if we and the North started firing missiles at each other!

Do you think fighter jets are fair given the fact that Palestine has no army per se?

Put your Jerusalem Post down and read some proper journalism before you get drafted into killing even more innocent women and children.

Netanyahu has said he will agree to a ceasefire if Hamas will agree to stop firing rockets from Gaza. Hilarious really considering the naval bombardment of Gaza is what triggered this particular standoff.

Also:

Israel and Hamas exchange threats over Twitter. 2012, everybody. twitter.com/AlexYudelson/s…

— Alex Yudelson (@AlexYudelson) November 14, 2012

Funny how they tell Hamas to disappear when bombing isn't it. Clearly wanting extra damage as well.

Oh and:

Read Hebrew? Follow @noamr & learn how Israeli gov't spits & shits on the memory of the Holocaust by steering the country in that direction

— David Sheen (@davidsheen) November 17, 2012

Do you think you could have a debate without trying to provoke people?

This is why people don't take you seriously.

Are you not fearful of being bombed or even killed, or do you live far enough away from the areas Palestine are bombing? I'd be shit scared if we and the North started firing missiles at each other!

That is actually right as nobody would know about the genocide your Government is committing on a daily basis. How dare Hamas want to fight back after decades of aggression!

It must be hard to be an Israeli citizen though with your Government and main media lying to you so blatantly. I know a few from both sides who have managed to escape the region and none agree with the way your Government is.

Do you think fighter jets are fair given the fact that Palestine has no army per se?

Do you think you could have a debate without trying to provoke people?

This is why people don't take you seriously.

His problem is he sees in black and white (insert joke here about how everything was in black and white when he grew up) if Israel are bad then in KM's head Palestine must be good.

Without having to resort to the history of the whole conflict and sticking purely to this recent conflict it is hard to disagree with Israel on their basis for retaliating. The media here only ever really note the Israel-Palestine conflict when Israel gets involved and fail to mention the attacks from Hamas that happen and Israel don't respond. Hamas need to know, for the people they seek to protect, that if they keep firing rockets they will get a response from Israel, like any normal country should respond. I know that if let's say we in NI were getting rocket attacks from the south I would totally expect my country to defend us and respond to those attacks. The other thing is that at the beginning of the Israeli response Hamas stated that they had opened the gates to hell and they declared war. When they declare war they are making it self-evident that they expect a more than fleeting offensive to be initiated by Israel. They can't then turn round and say oh look how bad Israel are by attacking us even though we declared war with them. The situation in Palestine is terrible and a significant part of it being so bad is the actions of Hamas, they endanger the people they seek to protect.

It works both ways. You say Israel intervene because of attacks from Hamas, but you could quite easily spin it as Hamas reacting to consistent provocations from Israel.

It's clearly a huge grey area. Neither side can claim innocence, but I guess it boils down to who owes what whom and who's more justified in their actions. I don't know enough about it to back one side or another, but what Israel are doing now is horrific. Saddens me that innocent children are being slaughtered in all of this. It's just a complete mess I only hope that something can be done to reduce the civilian casualties.

I understand that neither side is innocent. However, are Israel's actions horrific? I would say that there actions now are more justified than their non-offensive methods of curtailing attacks. The difference between Hamas and Israel is that Hamas attacks the public at large on purpose, Israel on the other hand attacks places that are likely to be used against Israel and people who want to harm Israel and its citizens. Hamas knows how to play the system, they stay in areas that are full of innocent people to ensure that if they are struck the news story will come out that Israel has killed X amount of people. Israel's attacks are by no means and are far from the best, they do it on the basis that they are protecting their soldiers etc because a ground offensive would be more likely to attack the threats of Hamas but of course that will put Israeli soldiers at a greater threat.

I'll go back to the original question though, what's the likely outcome of all of this? Nothing. It will reach a height, probably now or in a few days (I don't see it lasting much longer than that) then it will calm down a bit more and it will happen all over again in about a year or two.

What? What utter tosh!

Israel just fire into Gaza and wipe out large groups of civilians knowingly. They are the ones playing the system and hiding behind their backers but the world is waking up to their tactics.

I understand that neither side is innocent. However, are Israel's actions horrific? I would say that there actions now are more justified than their non-offensive methods of curtailing attacks. The difference between Hamas and Israel is that Hamas attacks the public at large on purpose, Israel on the other hand attacks places that are likely to be used against Israel and people who want to harm Israel and its citizens. Hamas knows how to play the system, they stay in areas that are full of innocent people to ensure that if they are struck the news story will come out that Israel has killed X amount of people. Israel's attacks are by no means and are far from the best, they do it on the basis that they are protecting their soldiers etc because a ground offensive would be more likely to attack the threats of Hamas but of course that will put Israeli soldiers at a greater threat.

I'll go back to the original question though, what's the likely outcome of all of this? Nothing. It will reach a height, probably now or in a few days (I don't see it lasting much longer than that) then it will calm down a bit more and it will happen all over again in about a year or two.

See, I fucking told you it'd come down to this shit.

"May your children die, you dogs"

Sadly true indicative of the world today

Can you not see how posts like this make you come across as biased, provocative and stubborn? There's no reason for you to post images like that unless you want to spark a negative reaction from people.

The problem is that a negative reaction is exactly what he is after, haven't you learned that yet?

Why do you keep talking about closing the thread? If I was considering that I would have closed it already.

An Israel thread was closed before and I got the impression you were feeling a bit trigger happy.

If I felt trigger happy there'd be no discussion about it.

Fucking Zionists.