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I'll say this again. We stood back for a good while now, while Hamas kept firing missiles at us. We couldn't wait longer so we attacked. Last time we did this it kept them quite (they still launched missile attacks but a lot less) for a couple of years. This time we are going in harder and hopefully it will keep them silenced.

Hamas are hiding their ammo supplies and leaders where other citizens are, just so they can say "20 kids killed" and so on. Not only that, but the media are falling for their lying. Will post more about that after school.
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By chokosc | Permalink | On 18 November 2012 - 05:28 AM
I'll say this again. We stood back for a good while now, while Hamas kept firing missiles at us. We couldn't wait longer so we attacked. Last time we did this it kept them quite (they still launched missile attacks but a lot less) for a couple of years. This time we are going in harder and hopefully it will keep them silenced.

Hamas are hiding their ammo supplies and leaders where other citizens are, just so they can say "20 kids killed" and so on. Not only that, but the media are falling for their lying. Will post more about that after school.


Can I ask where you read/saw this? As clearly everyone is getting different information so it would be nice to see all sides
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By Telegram Sam | Permalink | On 17 November 2012 - 23:44 PM
Can you not see how posts like this make you come across as biased, provocative and stubborn? There's no reason for you to post images like that unless you want to spark a negative reaction from people.


I am all three but only to get a better reaction from people aside from the usual bollocks and it is not the negative reaction people blindly seem to think I want. They are images from the last few days and are relevant ultimately.
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You came to other people's land, claim as your own, lock them in their own house, and when they attacked you, you talked as if you're the victim?

I'm bluffed.
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By Obtuse | Permalink | On 18 November 2012 - 05:55 AM
Can I ask where you read/saw this? As clearly everyone is getting different information so it would be nice to see all sides


Where I read/saw what?
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By chokosc | Permalink | On 18 November 2012 - 13:09 PM
Where I read/saw what?


The Israeli side to the story. I have heard a lot and read a lot more but it never replaces personal accounts.
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By Obtuse | Permalink | On 18 November 2012 - 13:22 PM
The Israeli side to the story. I have heard a lot and read a lot more but it never replaces personal accounts.


I don't understand what you are asking for :\ Probably just me that can't understand. Do you want news stories from Israel?
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By chokosc | Permalink | On 18 November 2012 - 13:45 PM
I don't understand what you are asking for :\ Probably just me that can't understand. Do you want news stories from Israel?


want to hear your stories and also what propaganda you are being fed. I can come back here daily and dump thousands of stories, videos and pics that never makes it to the MSM due to the influence Israel has.
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By Obtuse | Permalink | On 18 November 2012 - 18:31 PM
want to hear your stories and also what propaganda you are being fed. I can come back here daily and dump thousands of stories, videos and pics that never makes it to the MSM due to the influence Israel has.


I just posted 3 videos you should watch.
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By Deano | Permalink | On 18 November 2012 - 18:25 PM
http://fasttimesinpalestine.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/four-panel-map.jpg

Cunts.


That is what happens in war. We were perfectly fine with what we were meant to have in 1947 but then the countries surrounding us decided to attack. We won the war and took a lot of land. The lives of Jewish soldiers won that land.
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That is an awful argument chokosc.
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By Nexus | Permalink | On 18 November 2012 - 20:39 PM
That is an awful argument chokosc.


How is it?

Thats how war works.
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War is fucking stupid, to be fair.
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War is fucking stupid- but it's happened now, and Israel fucked shit up. And that's why they own that much now. When you have every country around you wanting to kill you, you must retaliate.

Hamas has been firing into Israel for months now. Israel has hit back. And to those saying Palestine has no military- Hamas do, and Hamas control matters there, or at least they hope to. People get killed. This is war, no two ends about it. If Hamas attacks, the IDF gets them back. Israel have a missile defence system, but Hamas are still attacking.
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By Nexus | Permalink | On 18 November 2012 - 20:39 PM
That is an awful argument chokosc.


I don't see how? That is what happens in war most of the time and it will always be like that.

And you guys need to learn some facts:

1. Israel supply Palestine their water and electricity. We don't have to but we do it because without it they would just die.

2. If we are going to bomb a house, apartment or any place with citizens in it, we make sure they now that place will be attacked, they are called about an hour before the attack and they are told to go to safety.

3. We are bombing places where the Hamas are hiding ammo supplies. We are using fighter jets because they have the technology to not miss the target and therefore less citizens are killed in the process. Hamam just fire their missiles into Israel, hoping that one will land where many people are and kill them.

4. Since the Marmara, when we were badly accused of not letting in some of the silliest things into Palestine we are letting a lot more go in now. So, how could you say we aren't?

Again, watch the videos I posted .
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By chokosc | Permalink | On 18 November 2012 - 21:33 PM
I don't see how? That is what happens in war most of the time and it will always be like that.

And you guys need to learn some facts:

1. Israel supply Palestine their water and electricity. We don't have to but we do it because without it they would just die.

2. If we are going to bomb a house, apartment or any place with citizens in it, we make sure they now that place will be attacked, they are called about an hour before the attack and they are told to go to safety.

3. We are bombing places where the Hamas are hiding ammo supplies. We are using fighter jets because they have the technology to not miss the target and therefore less citizens are killed in the process. Hamam just fire their missiles into Israel, hoping that one will land where many people are and kill them.

4. Since the Marmara, when we were badly accused of not letting in some of the silliest things into Palestine we are letting a lot more go in now. So, how could you say we aren't?

Again, watch the videos I posted .

Probably doesn't help you build illegal houses and settlements around key water supplies, mind.
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Theory: Had Palestine had the same type of military/artillery as Israel there would've been peace within ... let's say three weeks. Would have forced Israel into rational thinking/acting.
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By Jonas | Permalink | On 19 November 2012 - 01:09 AM
Theory: Had Palestine had the same type of military/artillery as Israel there would've been peace within ... let's say three weeks. Would have forced Israel into rational thinking/acting.

Only if the Palestinians were as well-educated and affluent as the Israeli's.

Give advanced weaponry to the likes of Hamas and the poor and poorly educated masses who support them and you'd see them causing massacres of epic proportions in no time.
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Considering that the Israelis had agreed in principle to a long-term cease fire negotiated by Israeli and Egyptian diplomats 3 hours before the assassination of Ahmed al-Jabari...who was killed while preparing to present the plan to the rest of the Hamas leadership (according to the NY Times, Haaretz, Ma'an and other media outlets), I call into question the integrity of Israel's leaders. Though I know some people who live in Israel (many in the country according to them are upset with the government for this too), I will always stand in support with my Palestinian brothers and sisters on principle.
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By Ninja | Permalink | On 18 November 2012 - 22:59 PM
Probably doesn't help you build illegal houses and settlements around key water supplies, mind.

I don't see your point. How are we building illegal houses? Who decides if they are legal or not? The fact is, we do supply them what they need to keep alive.
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By chokosc | Permalink | On 19 November 2012 - 06:08 AM
I don't see your point. How are we building illegal houses? Who decides if they are legal or not? The fact is, we do supply them what they need to keep alive.


They are illegal settlements and Israel have been sanctioned and ordered to stop building them multiple times. The fact is that the supplies that do go into Palestine are actually a lot less than they are legally supposed to have.
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By Obtuse | Permalink | On 19 November 2012 - 09:33 AM
They are illegal settlements and Israel have been sanctioned and ordered to stop building them multiple times. The fact is that the supplies that do go into Palestine are actually a lot less than they are legally supposed to have.

And you have proof of that where? We supply them OUR water and OUR electricity.
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By chokosc | Permalink | On 19 November 2012 - 14:34 PM
And you have proof of that where? We supply them OUR water and OUR electricity.

They are illegal settlements. They have been adjudged to be illegal by international bodies.

Just because Israel has benevolently deigned to provide Palestinians with water and electricity (with, frankly, they should have access to anyway) doesn't change that.
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Also, Benjamin Netanyahu is an absolute wanker.
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By duckeggmoon | Permalink | On 19 November 2012 - 15:01 PM
Also, Benjamin Netanyahu is an absolute wanker.


Nothing new in that.

Still, I think many people don't even fully understand why this is even going on.Israel don't want Gaza, which is the reason why we aren't making it part of Israel and making everyone that lives there an Israeli citizen. The Palestinians, and especially the Hamas (who are fighting for it) want the land that we won during the different wars, against them and other countries. Even though they aren't part of the country, we are giving them what they need to live and for a couple of years now, since the Marmara, almost anything can go in to Gaza.

The Hamas are attacking Israel on daily bases. Sometimes they fire a lot of missiles everyday and sometimes the "only" fire up to 10 missiles a day. Usually we don't react to that. When they start firing a lot of missiles at us, daily, and more than one day, we react. Almost the exact same happened in 2008.

We have a brilliant army. We have the most up-to-date weaponry. We use it to cause less damage to the innocent. Our planes have great accuracy so that we won't accidentally miss the place we are trying to hit. About an hour before we bomb a place we call all the innocent people in it to tell them about it. Whether they get out or not is nothing to do with us. Show me another country that does that. Unlike the Hamas, we go for places where they are hiding their ammo supplies and leaders. What the Hamas are doing, is they fire their missiles sort of randomly, trying to get it to hit crowded places and kill as many people as possible. They aren't going for our leaders, they are going for our innocent citizens.
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