Poe
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Sterling however, is far from world class.

I think the only sensible move for him would be to move to Arsenal if they sack Walcott off (but I dunno why they'd do that as Walcott is better than Sterling when both are fully fit)

I think he should stay at Liverpool but I don't think there's anyway back for him now, some of the fans have turned on him already.
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It's a vary similar situation actually, no matter how much better Sterling is. Fucking ran him into the grand, he's a football player ffs, wanting 100k a week, let's not be ridiculous. Plus the only reason he played so much is cause Sturridge was out and the rest are shit.

Stepping club my arse. Plus what exactly is he going to accomplish at another club? Playing his 5 games to get a winners medal at Chelsea? Yeah that's top for his development.


It's not. I can say "Sterling shouldn't go to Liverpool because look at how Aspas and Ilori and Sahin and countless others weren't used at all when they were there." Never giving a young player a minutes rest in 2 seasons is fucking terrible management. Also, "The others are shit", surely that's a reason for him wanting to leave, he has no chance of achieving anything at Liverpool. He'd take a lower wage at a more competitive club, I guarantee it

You are a stepping club, every single Liverpool fan and pundit is in denial but it doesn't make it untrue. He'd be a guaranteed starter for City instead of Navas imo. So in terms of accomplishing things, how about challenging and winning the league constantly as well as actually being in Europe. Even if he was treated like other youth talents at City and Chelsea, he'd be loaned to a competitive club to help him develop. That's miles better than playing 120 mins against Middlesbrough in the fucking Capitol One Cup


I have absolutely no sympathy for [old club]"

“They have a choice as a club. They don’t have to sell. They had that choice. Maybe [old club] objectives have changed. They were on course to be a ­Champions League club, I believe, but, obviously, that has changed.

"That’s the nature of it. Players will want to compete at the highest level.

“[Young talented player who hasn't achieved anything] was probably disappointed and sad to leave [old club], but he’s gone to a what he would deem to be a bigger club.

“The guys have come here because of the status of [new club] and Champions League football. It’s hard to deny players that – and that will always be the case. I think chairmen and directors and executives understand that, so all they can do is maximise what they can get for the talent and look to invest again.”


By your own managers definition, you're a stepping stone club
Carroll.
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Except, saying that is completely different You're just using players we signed to try prove a point The similar thing about Sterling and say Sinclair, is Sinclair, went there as a youngster (23 I think he was but still in early part of his career) and was never given a chance. The likes of Sahin etc were given a chance, they just never really fitted into the team / weren't good enough. For Sinclair completely killed his career and now he can barely get into a Villa team. As for starting over Navas, I'm not even going to pretend I watch Navas enough, but I don't think it would be such a sure thing.

As for trophies etc, if that's the case, where the fuck was he against Chelsea in the league cup? Or Villa? Or any of the European games tbf. As for being in Europe, yeah I guess he'll get his 6 games in the group stages each year.

Are you comparing us to Southampton? Also no, we have a choice, but no, we don't have to sell.

Actually going on from it, a stepping stone club is someone where a player only really joins to move onto a bigger club in the future. Which one of our players has done that? Suarez? Again we didn't have to sell him, was a choice (whether a bad one or not that's another thing) after the bad publicity he brought to the club. No idea where you're getting the stepping club tag from, as I don't remember any players that signed here with the aim to leave another club down the line. Maybe Torrres? But that was a weird transfer
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Except, saying that is completely different You're just using players we signed to try prove a point The similar thing about Sterling and say Sinclair, is Sinclair, went there as a youngster (23 I think he was but still in early part of his career) and was never given a chance. The likes of Sahin etc were given a chance, they just never really fitted into the team / weren't good enough. For Sinclair completely killed his career and now he can barely get into a Villa team. As for starting over Navas, I'm not even going to pretend I watch Navas enough, but I don't think it would be such a sure thing.


He'd definitely start over Navas or at least rotate. Maybe even on opposite wings. Sinclair was never good enough for City though, like Aspas was never good enough for Liverpool, so using them to prove a point is, as you say, "completely different". Also, we sent Sincalir on loan to West Brom and they wouldn't even play him ffs, that's saying something.

As for trophies etc, if that's the case, where the fuck was he against Chelsea in the league cup? Or Villa? Or any of the European games tbf. As for being in Europe, yeah I guess he'll get his 6 games in the group stages each year.


So essentially, what you're saying is: If he wants to win trophies he has to basically drag his shit team by the scruff of the neck and win them himself. You can't see why he'd want to go to a club why that isn't the case?

Are you comparing us to Southampton? Also no, we have a choice, but no, we don't have to sell.


Yes, basically you're a step "higher" than Southampton, but still a stepping stone.

Actually going on from it, a stepping stone club is someone where a player only really joins to move onto a bigger club in the future. Which one of our players has done that? Suarez? Again we didn't have to sell him, was a choice (whether a bad one or not that's another thing) after the bad publicity he brought to the club. No idea where you're getting the stepping club tag from, as I don't remember any players that signed here with the aim to leave another club down the line. Maybe Torrres? But that was a weird transfer


Suarez, Torres, Mascherano, Alonso, Arbeloa arguably.

Note: Looking through your transfers over the past few years to make that "list", you guys have made some woeful transfers I know City have been pretty bad but Jesus Christ, the end of Benetiz- start of Hodgson/Daglish signings were just mad
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The same shit team almost won the league last year, no I don't expect him to drag us 'by the scruff of the neck', but playing decent would be a start.

And so basically every team that isn't Barcelona, Madrid or Bayern Munich are a stepping stone in some form then.
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The same shit team almost won the league last year, no I don't expect him to drag us 'by the scruff of the neck', but playing decent would be a start.

And so basically every team that isn't Barcelona, Madrid or Bayern Munich are a stepping stone in some form then.


The same shit team who almost won the league while Sterling was playing out of his skin. He's absolutely knackered and being played in random positions the entire time. Maybe he'd rather be part of a winning team than a guy who's expected to do everything and have everything relying on him.

Well yeah, but some a higher up the ladder. Chelsea, Utd, City and possibly Arsenal are a step up from Liverpool in the PL.
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Sterling was good the year before, but don't pin it all on him. Also other than him having a holiday in the middle of the season, he's also been rested numerous times. He's a footballer ffs don't give him a cheap excuse to blame his poor performances.

Okay cool, I'll agree with that then. Even though it's a bit stupid for me but yeah.
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Sterling was good the year before, but don't pin it all on him. Also other than him having a holiday in the middle of the season, he's also been rested numerous times. He's a footballer ffs don't give him a cheap excuse to blame his poor performances.

Okay cool, I'll agree with that then. Even though it's a bit stupid for me but yeah.


I'm not pinning it all on him at all, but if you're blaming up for not performing when the team is shit, why can't I praise him for performing when the team was exceptional? He's a young footballer, they need to be treated properly. Just look at how Wenger treated Walcott and Ox for example, he didn't have them playing 50 games in a row with no break, he eased them into it and protected them. Also, playing him as a wing back and expecting him to be brilliant is stupid, it's not a "cheap excuse".

I don't see how it's stupid, if I was him I'd rather be a solid part of a winning team than a big fish in a small pond type situation (still a big enough pond, but you see the point).
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You can praise him for performing well the year before. But it certainly wasn't mainly him. Not saying I'm blaming him for the team's performances, but I can be annoyed with him for his own performance and not trying enough. Again, he's had rest (maybe not quite sufficient), but it's not like he's been ground to nothing. He was only playing so much because of necessity and I'd also argue the exposure to the first team was the reason for his development. Do you really think if he went somewhere like City or Chelsea two years ago he'd have played? Playing him as a wingback, about 3 times if that. Again out of necessity, nobody expected him to perform there, but he actually did all right when he did have to play there. While I agree the mixing of his positions has not been the best, I'm going to go back to the point that it was out of necessity - Sturridge's injury, lack of quality players in that position etc.
Poe
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He's only scored 2 less than last season btw.

Can obviously expect his assists to go down as you've lost Suarez for all and Sturridge for the majority but according to Squawka he's created 75 chances this season compared to his 51 last year.

He's hardly been shit, he's probably been your best player. Maybe you could have an argument for Coutinho but even he was poor at the start of the season.
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I'd say he would've been loaned out by City or Chelsea to somewhere "foreign" or else he'd be rotated sparsely, or he could've been straight into the squad, who knows. Can't you see his argument that he doesn't want to play for a club who has those type of problems? He wants what's best for him, to play in his natural position, not be run into the ground and be successful, right now he's being 'forced' to play elsewhere, being 'forced' to play every game etc, so maybe Liverpool isn't the club for him.
Based Jorge
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Why should he stay at Liverpool for another two years when he's good enough to play for a better and bigger club?
Carroll.
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Actually this is the only reason he is leaving

Slashman X
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God I hate Brendan Rodgers
bmg033
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Is that from that Liverpool program they had a couple of years ago? Fucking cringey as hell but also hilarious, especially when they needed subtitles when Carragher was talking
Grimnir
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Wow, sparse crowd at Arsenal tonight!
VP.
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Think we're attempting to play the most narrowest formation/style in the history of football. So predictable and ultimately shite it beggars belief why we continue to play the same way.
Based Jorge
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Even more evidence that you can't play 200000 attacking mids at the same time and win
Sam
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What a wasted opportunity Sunday was for us.

And Sunderland still in the fucking Premier League.
VP.
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Waits for Wenger to come out and blame Sunderland's 'anti' football for the result. Nothing to do with the inability of around £170m worth of attacking players once again failing to break a side down, absolute joke.

Very happy for Sunderland though.
Slashman X
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Sunderland could've easily snatched that too.

2nd place secured
VP.
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Sunderland could've easily snatched that too.

2nd place secured


Had the better chances, luckily Fletcher's finishing was awful.
Based Jorge
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We need to lose 1-0 and United win 7-0 for us not to finish third. At this rate I would expect us to name even more attacking mids in the starting XI and for that to actually happen then lose to Tactics Tim in the final
Grimnir
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Congrats to Sunderland on surviving!

Don't see the league table really changing this weekend now.
Carroll.
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I thought all was good at Arsenal..?

Glad my bet was already fucked
Poe
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Sunderland to keep Advocaat, sack him around March 2016 with club odds on for relegation leading to a derby victory early April 2016 and ultimately survival with a game to spare. As always.

Arsenal were having plenty joy down the left hand side last night as Van Aanholt is shit - but they were insistant on trying to play it to Giroud's feet who was dreadful all game. No idea why.
Grimnir
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Defoe was better at left back than Van Aanholt!
Shola
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Man Utd are a stepping stone imo. Clevz, Welbz, Pogz and Piqz all in major finals. While Falcao scores an OG while falling over on Sunday to gift Hull a win.
Carroll.
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Waiting for people to come out and criticize how Rodgers has handled it..

Also the guy on Sky Sports saying he's worth 35-40 million. While I agree he won't go for much less if we do sell him, he's worth half that at best
Slashman X
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If Luke Shaw is worth £30m then Raheem is worth a similar amount

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