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Number 1
I know the ideas behind Moneyball and using sabremetrics to spot cheap players that can be superstars are good n all and work in other sports, but maybe its time to not use that philosophy.
Shola
I also find it unlikely 'Tactics' Tim Sherwood was a massive fan of Jordan Amavi and Jodan Veretout and demanded they were brought in.
Shola
Franck
You do realise that the Leicester side that currently tops the table was built on that philosophy, right?
Ninja
I was about to reply a similar thing to him, but I don't know how true it is. There's no doubt they've done very well to identify good players playing in shit divisions and league and players looked over by bigger clubs but I don't know if theres anything at all to suggest they're using a moneybag or sabremetric like approach or just some very good, old fashioned scouting.
bluemoon.
That stuff's only for the poncey, rich clubs. If you want to avoid relegation you need to rely on some bloke watching from the stand, every proper football man knows that.
Not got any links to hand but if I remember rightly, Leicester are one of the more analytics focused clubs in the Premier League, fairly certain Mahrez and Kante were identified, at least in part, because of it too.
Also, Sabremetrics != analytics.
Franck
When Arsenal poached one of their analytics guys earlier this year there was a bit of talk about how analytics focused Leicester are. As I understood it their scouting department and analytics department are one and the same.
Naturally though, this isn't the kind of thing clubs would spend a whole lot of time talking to the media about, got to protect those trade secrets after all.
bmg033
Waddle talking about Arsenal: "I can see them winning all of their remaining games but they have left themselves too much of a gap to claw back, not so much on Leicester as on Spurs."
So the gap to Spurs (5 points) is too big but the gap to Leicester (11 points) will get overturned?
BBC Article
Shola
Villa's problem seems that they let Martin O'Neill spend £100m or so and give out massive contracts to 'seasoned pro's' and then didn't achieve Champions League status. - Remember Luke Young, Marlon Harewood, Habib Beye, Steve Sidwell or Carlos Cuellar in an Aston Villa shirt?
They then gave the job to Houllier and McLeish, who lost their better players and still had a massive wage budget sucking most of the money out of the club.
Lambert then came in with the express orders to keep them up while reducing their wage budget. He brought in 8 first squad players that year for around £20m. Benteke and Vlaar about the only ones with a reasonable chance of being a success.A further £25m on cheap gambles in the following two years
Basically they spent all their money, and have been bringing in cheap players and hoping.
Poe
Would be absolutely hilarious if Villa appointed him.
bluemoon.
Not to me either. It does look like a pretty obvious case of scout(s) identifying under-valued/under-appreciated players though.
Poe
And I watch fucking shocking players on a regular basis so I'm very qualified to judge this.
Number 1
Its obviously a key part, yeah, but Villa seemed to think cheap imports found with an emphasis on this side of things and the whole "replace quality with quantity" approach would work. Apparently not, given they're naturally going to have John Carver taking them towards League One this time next year. Then again, its probably easier to wonder if Aston Villa actually had a transfer policy last year, given all the shit they've bought.
Meanwhile, I've spotted all the pundits saying "Villa need a British manager", forgetting the origins of Sherwood, Lambert and McCleish.
Not that I care, given next season, we'll probably be there, given we have such a crap defensive unit.
bluemoon.
Not saying he's great by any means but they're clearly getting something out of him. Kind of suggests Newcastle weren't getting the best out of him.
Based Jorge
either that's worked for them or they're juicing
Number 1
To be fair there's been a long list of players in recent history who've done substantially better after leaving St. James' Park.
Not able to watch the game but we've sounded very much second best so far... eep.
bmg033
Number 1
Shola
Darl Karlow comfortably our best player - the referee theirs.
bluemoon.
That thought did cross my mind as I was writing that
Ninja
Number 1
Grimnir
Shola
Would like to see him sacked.
I'd take John Carver now if offered.
Number 1
Fucking come off it - if Carver had been given the job we'd be much closer to Villa.
Shedender
Pretty much confirms we'll be a Championship club next season, unless a miracle happens!
Shola
Anyway Benitez has taken one point from three games against Leicester, Norwich and Sunderland? He's been a disaster. An expensive disaster, like everything else Newcastle have done since getting rid of Pardew.
Shola
bmg033
Imagine if Rafa decided to stay after relegaion, going from managing against Barca to Burton in 12 months.
Grimnir
Shelvey was immense for us in the Championship tbf.