Topher
15 years ago
1 year ago
34
I signed Traore, a Newgen from Ivory Coast, no work permit. Loaned him out to Bulgaria, got work permit after first year with them (7 int caps). Then played u21 games for a season, then up to first team as back-up, available for u21s. Depay playing well, 2nd choice doing ok, not many oppurtunities for Traore. Sell 2nd choice, Traore gets a few more games, cup games, etc. He's doing well, but not getting int call-up. Now his contract has expired, and I can't get a new work permit for him, but I also can't sign him without a work permit to loan out. He's only a year away from British citizenship, which makes it all the more frustrating.

For anyone saying I should've kept him in Bulgaria to gain citizenship there, I couldn't, as my feeder club got relegated, and were not allowed to loan any foreigners.
Andrew♣
14 years ago
2 years ago
238
I signed Traore, a Newgen from Ivory Coast, no work permit. Loaned him out to Bulgaria, got work permit after first year with them (7 int caps). Then played u21 games for a season, then up to first team as back-up, available for u21s. Depay playing well, 2nd choice doing ok, not many oppurtunities for Traore. Sell 2nd choice, Traore gets a few more games, cup games, etc. He's doing well, but not getting int call-up. Now his contract has expired, and I can't get a new work permit for him, but I also can't sign him without a work permit to loan out. He's only a year away from British citizenship, which makes it all the more frustrating.

For anyone saying I should've kept him in Bulgaria to gain citizenship there, I couldn't, as my feeder club got relegated, and were not allowed to loan any foreigners.

why did u let his contract expire?
Topher
15 years ago
1 year ago
34
I couldn't renew. Tried for 18 months to renew, kept being denied wp. Kept playing him on rotation, but he didn't get any more international call-ups, even though he had a good run in the side when Depay was out injured just before the African Nations Cup. Just bugs me, why couldn't I sign him to a contract extension without a work permit? If you can sign players without to loan them out, why not extend contract to loan out?
Andrew♣
14 years ago
2 years ago
238
I couldn't renew. Tried for 18 months to renew, kept being denied wp. Kept playing him on rotation, but he didn't get any more international call-ups, even though he had a good run in the side when Depay was out injured just before the African Nations Cup. Just bugs me, why couldn't I sign him to a contract extension without a work permit? If you can sign players without to loan them out, why not extend contract to loan out?

players that are only playing u21 football are unlikely to be called up to senior international squad, they need to be playing regular first team football to get noticed, you yourself admitted that he was sitting in u21's for a season. he can't get a work permit because he hasn't played the required percentage of international games during the period he has been with you, i believe a player has to play 75% of international matches within the last 2 years to recieve a work permit and that is simply not going to happen when a player is only playing u21 football for a whole season. i don't think it would of mattered even if he had been called up to african nations squad, the ship had probably already sailed by that point as far as playing 75% of games is concerned. your mistake was bringing him back to your club and putting him in u21's for a season, you either play him in your first team, send him out again to another feeder club or sell him, putting him in the u21's achieves nothing. as for the reason why you can't extend his contract, you don't have an available feeder club to send him to, i believe that is the reason...
Topher
15 years ago
1 year ago
34
I couldn't send him back to the feeder club, they were relegated and unable to sign foreigners. It then took a while to get my board to agree to a new feeder club, is why he played u21's. And I have 2 new feeder clubs I could've sent him to, if they'd allowed me to renew the contract.
Andrew♣
14 years ago
2 years ago
238
I couldn't send him back to the feeder club, they were relegated and unable to sign foreigners. It then took a while to get my board to agree to a new feeder club, is why he played u21's. And I have 2 new feeder clubs I could've sent him to, if they'd allowed me to renew the contract.

i understand you couldn't send him back to the same feeder club, i was talking about sending him to another one. if you keep tabs on the feeder club's fortunes and see that they could go down and will have to terminate the loan then you can make plans ahead of schedule to deal with that situation, its your fault for not planning ahead. having done a little research i believe there is a rule when it comes to contract extensions which states that when it comes to players who are not currently eligible for a new work permit the player has to have played 70% of contracted teams first team games that he was available to play in for you to be able to extend his contract. (i can't find specific information about how long a period that takes into account, is it 70% of first team games over the past year or is it over the last 20 or 30 games that he was available to play, that i cannot answer). in any case he has not achieved that 70% figure so you can't extend his contract, and he has not played the required number of international games so he can't get a work permit, your only option is to release him and move on. i hope i have managed to clear things up for you...

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