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King Luis
Ninja
Stop scaremongering with your facts.
King Luis
Carroll.
Franck
Nobody cares about the Welsh.
Grimnir
How's this gonna work if/when I visit Ireland again? Last time started out in Belfast and drove all around Northern Ireland and Republic of Ireland back and forth willy-nilly. Now I guess there'll be border checks and all sorts? Can see this leading to more shit over there again...
VP.
Shedender
Fuck, I hope not.
Grimnir
I voted Leave.
Franck
Arsonist.
Dan
Admin please delete this fool....oh wait, I'm admin!
Ninja
If people voted Leave but are too ashamed to admit they voted Leave, then maybe they should question why they voted that way in the first place.
VP.
I personally voted leave purely because of immigration and I'm certainly not ashamed of doing so.
Ninja
I'm hardly surprised, you out Clacton way yeah?
VP.
Na i'm from a place called Rochford though i work in Southend which is just up the road.
Carroll.
VP.
Nothing will change for a while which is why i'm not too bothered about the value of the pound and anything else which may be suffering just a few hours after the results.
Carroll.
VP.
Why?
Ninja
Ah I knew it was an Essex seaside town, just got which one wrong.
Well either way, I don't think your stupid. I just think you've been duped. Rochford has one of the lowest % of immigration in the entire country, and Southend's not far off. It reflects the general national trend that areas most likely to vote Leave have the lowest % of immigration. Yet I suspect thats all you've really heard about the debate in that part of the world? It's been the same here. People pinning decades of problems caused by our own government on immigration and based off immigration fears stoked up by national disgraces like the Sun and the Mail deliberately lying.
Either way, whichever way you voted, my only real qualm with what you said is your use of the word 'expert' as a dirty word. I don't think anyones professing to some higher understanding of facts that can't be easily googled but, even if we did, why does that matter?
Franck
Because leaving the EU means absolutely nothing. The UK already has full control of non-EU immigration and there is absolutely no chance whatsoever that the EU would agree to a trade deal that doesn't include freedom of movement, and even if it did, the two million British citizens who reside elsewhere in the EU are a virtual guarantee that no sane UK government would want to end it.
Ninja
Has there been much about that in Sweden? I've heard a few say there's, at best, an utter sense of bewilderment in Europe. At the fact we hate the EU migrants we get - young, working age adults or students who contribute to the economy and don't make huge use of public services like the NHS - compared to what we export - old, retired, pensioners who cost their host country through the nose to use their healthcare system.
Grimnir
Also, hello VP, didn't realise you were so close to me down here. Work with a few guys who live down Leigh-on-Sea. :waves:
I know I voted Leave, but I have nothing against the free movement and immigration imposed by the EU. That and the trade laws should have been the be and end all of the EU, but give people a bit of power and they want a lot more. It was getting ridiculous and I did not want some super europe country run from Brussels with blanket laws. Not that I think the current system we have in the UK is democracy how it should be either, but one thing at a time.
Also, on a more selfish note, as a first time buyer (or trier for the past 2 years) I'm hoping I can get a house for a better price now. Though I understand mortgage rates will probably rise for the moment, I'm hopeful of a better market.
Ninja
Given what you've said are you happy with the outcome or would you have preferred a Remain vote with a strong enough Leave % to give Brussels a kick?
Grimnir
Well Leave won, so yeah I'm happy with the outcome in that sense. As I said, give people power and they want more - they also hold onto it tighter. Even if Remain won with 50.1% I don't think Brussels would have cared, we had to Leave for a difference to be made. Part of the negotiations will probably mean immigration remains the same anyway in an effort to appease Brussels whilst they try and crucify us to make us an example to all those countries now pondering their own referendum.
However, I think it's the wrong time for Cameron to resign, which I never thought I would say. By doing so he's given a hell of a boost to Boris and Farage and that leads us in the direction that all the 'Little Englanders' and easily stereotyped Leave voters are suggested to want. Corbyn looks likely to be fed to the sharks next, Lib Dems might gain from this as they reclaim all the student voters they lost when they lied about uni fees. Ashamedly, I don't actually know who the Lib Dem leader is anymore since the betrayal of Clegg.
Grimnir
Tbh, I wouldn't mind that. It is like another country there.
These calls for independence are getting a bit daft now!
Chera
Grimnir
A snippet from a BBC article:
The Bank of England may consider raising interest rates to combat extra pressure on inflation. That would make mortgages and loans more expensive to repay but would be good news for savers.
The Treasury previously forecast a rise of between 0.7% and 1.1% in mortgage borrowing costs, with the prime minister claiming the average cost of a mortgage could increase by up to £1,000 a year.
Nothing concrete though.
Franck
The same should happen with Gibraltar, 95.9% of them voted remain and this result fucks them over in grandiose fashion.
Franck
I've been on holiday in France for the past few days so I haven't really followed the discussion in Sweden. I wouldn't say that the immigration angle has gotten much attention at all though.
I'll try and give you a more detailed answer when I get home in a couple of days.