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Not able to watch, but hmmmm... not good.
BR.
17 years ago
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Owen Coyle is clueless, that has been clear for years now.

Despite this, Rovers will not start to recover until Venky's sell up and finally f*ck off.

Elsewhere, two defeats from two for Newcastle, crazy.....I'm sure they'll still go up though. Terriersmad will have had a cracking day!

Shola
16 years ago
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We were awful. Janmaat and Dummett by far our best players going forward.

Gayle was anonymous, Anita is not a winger, Diame looked clueless out of position - They suffered from the tactics massively. Hayden is the most out of depth player I've ever seen, and Shelvey is the most feckless. Lascelles and Mbemba look like they looked all last season, (whenever Colback and Tiote weren't in front of them). Aarons was far too deep, although he at least looked lively (and was therefore taken straight off).

Ritchie was lively, but for me I don't think he actually looks good, a bit too many flicks and tricks with no end product for my liking.


Benitez though needs to stop being arrogant. Put Sissoko, Colback and Tiote back in midfield. And pick a forward line to actually play on the front foot.
Vercoe
11 years ago
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I had such high hopes for us this season as well. I know it's only 2 games in (3 if you count the League Cup) but it's already starting to grate. I think the slump in form from the second half of last season is still fresh in the fans' minds.
Shola
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This is how you do it.


Back when Newcastle had a manager who could instill organisation, determination, pressing and could set up a side who could score goals and keep clean sheets.
Number 1
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I'm not convinced Sissoko is the answer. The narcissistic tit doesn't want to play for the club, and will in most likelihood continue being a dead weight, as he was until Benitez made him captain. Even if he might play on Wednesday, judging by a post-match interview. I'm also not convinced Colback is an answer either, given his awful opening day performance and routine lack of creativity. Tiote, who knows. He may not even leave, so if not, there's no reason for him not to return, even if Hayden so far reads as a reasonable DM. So... him, maybe. Although Championship refs don't seem bothered about giving as many fouls as Prem ones, which might help.

I've only seen highlights and read reports, but it read to me like we're still playing almost within ourselves, and it could've been similar to any of the performances since 2012/13. Hardly a great omen. Like then, I don't think there's enough assertion going on during games, and there's certainly not enough creativity or accurate shooting. Hence the continuation of the thought we need additional widemen, or possibly to be a bit more unrestrained. Forestieri might be good, but I wouldn't have said priority acquisition.

It may not help either that there has to be a higher player turnover than last time in any case, such has been the different transfer window trends in the years before the '09 demotion and May's one, or the fact that back then, the manager was more or less bulldozed into his thinking by the likes of Nolan and Barton. Least that's the interpretation, although it worked and was effective. Maybe the Orient 6-1 was that slap in the face, while the players who stayed still need a very hard slap in the face - preferably literal in certain cases.

At least there's still to put some of this right. Hell, if the Mackems can go from bottom in August 2006 to the top of the table at the campaign's end, then its hardly out of the question. But there's only so many episodes like this that can be taken I guess.
Shola
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Hayden is definitely not a reasonable DM. He makes James Perch look like Pirlo and Beckenbauer rolled into one.

I don't know how people could possibly want Sissoko not to play but want Shelvey too. Shelvey has treated the club far worse than Sissoko, Shelvey is the biggest fraud I've ever seen. Doesn't mark, tackle want or want the ball. But will knock a Hollywood ball over the top every now and again.

We're also desperately missing Ameobi - Dummett and Ritchie both had so many opportunities to get a ball over, but they lack the ability he has to find players on the move in the box. Last time the fucker got a run in the team we won six on the bounce ffs.
Number 1
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The negative reviews from Cardiff City fans (more or less overwhelmingly so) from his loan last season hints Sammy Ameobi is not the answer. Seemed to miss more sitters than get assists or goals. And he was hardly that great a crosser for us anyway. And I've said they lack wingers, but better is out there, assuming someone gets off their arse and nabs it.

Sissoko the player on his day, I would be ok with. Sissoko the narcissist, who seems to put more effort into his "I want to leave" interviews, and spends more games doing fuck all, is an issue. His attitude has been a joke for long before now, and he is begging to be rewarded with a spell in the reserves, or at least stuck in the 2nd tier months after playing in the Euros final. Which, to him, is probably the same.

I'm not really decided on Shelvey - started well, then blended in with everyone else in last year's sea of mediocrity/rubbish very quickly. Also plays deeper than perhaps necessary, like Cabaye did for a while in 2012/13. Seems to have both praisers and detractors in equal measure. Bit of a weird one. Maybe some use can be found.
gfnx25
12 years ago
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Lost 2-1 at Gills. Game was already lost at the start imo. Ismail and Mayor changed the whole Charlton game when they came on and FLitcroft doesn't start them. Baffling. Went down pretty quickly and played catch up all the time. Went 2-0, Pope got one back, had chances to equalize (Gills had chances to make it 3-1 aswell) but didn't take them. Draw would have maybe been a fairer result but Gills will be up there and they're a decent side, so not worry too much about that
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terriersmad
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Has anyone given us credit for a brilliant away performance yet, or is it the accepted wisdom that Town couldn't win as Newcastle could only lose that game? Because we were brilliant. 2-1 doesn't sum up how good we were. We attacked dangerously, defended superbly and it was plain to virtually any idiot that our game plan was carried out to near-perfection. Newcastle got a great chance in the first couple of minutes, then didn't really threaten again from open play for the rest of the game, while we fashioned multiple great chances. Newcastle were restricted to set-pieces and long balls, which we dealt with admirably. Even when the ref cocked up and awarded a penalty for handball (I for one would like to know what Hudson was meant to do - in the replays it looks like he's pulling his hand out of the way and contact is accidental; it looked very harsh at the time and replays confirm this in my view) we didn't let heads drop and we came back to win superbly. There's some mental strength there at last. Twice already we've conceded equalisers and gone on to win against decent sides.

Another test tomorrow at Villa Park. After St James', I suspect it may be a bit of a let-down, but we'll see. Another new ground to cross off.
Number 1
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They did do well to win, and I've seen reports saying they had a well-executed plan and were better. So they do deserve the kudos tbf.
terriersmad
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They did do well to win, and I've seen reports saying they had a well-executed plan and were better. So they do deserve the kudos tbf.

Most from the North East have been really balanced. Less balanced have been the national reports which have focused on Newcastle losing rather than us winning. The Channel 5 thing was the worst - only Curbishley even trying to give us any credit for silencing the crowd and having a game plan. I don't expect fans to be that balanced (because I can hardly comment, partisan as I am), but a bit of balance from the media would be quite nice. Yep, Newcastle were crap for the second week running, but that was often down to how well we (and Fulham last week) played.
Poe
17 years ago
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I thought Huddersfield were way better than Fulham were - I don't think Fulham were particularly impressive but Huddersfield looked incredibly fit and the pressing was excellent.

We lined up wrong and we're desperately short down our left side but the team that was put out was still capable of getting a win and it didnt due to Huddersfield's game plan, I haven't heard many people lacking in praise for their performance around here?
Shola
16 years ago
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I thought Huddersfield and Fulham were average at best. Huddersfield especially gave far, far too much respect. I said before the game if Huddersfield pressed like advertised they'd murder that midfield and tbh I thought they sat back far too much, especially in the second half. When Newcastle despite having zero real ability, intent or skill were still dictating play and looked the only winner. (We wouldn't have scored in a month of sundays mind)

Newcastle are in real, real trouble - we've very possibly got the worst central midfield in the division. No threat from the wings and no way of getting the ball up to the striker and now two out of form centre backs.

Huddersfield looked far more solid at the back and capable of dealing with long straight aimless balls at short strikers, which is something I guess.

Also cricitising Sissoko for wanting away, hope we never play Ritchie, Hanley, Clark, Diame ever again. Scum, for walking out on there clubs.
Number 1
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Most from the North East have been really balanced. Less balanced have been the national reports which have focused on Newcastle losing rather than us winning. The Channel 5 thing was the worst - only Curbishley even trying to give us any credit for silencing the crowd and having a game plan. I don't expect fans to be that balanced (because I can hardly comment, partisan as I am), but a bit of balance from the media would be quite nice. Yep, Newcastle were crap for the second week running, but that was often down to how well we (and Fulham last week) played.

I think its going to be a recurrent problem as, by reputation, management or bookie favouritism, Newcastle have been cast as the pond's big fish, or at least one of them. Sort of how Manchester United or City coverage is almost always about them, or in La Liga, where Barcelona/Real Madrid defeats are more about their shortcomings than the other team being any good.

I'm not sure Fulham weren't that good, tbf. Their game plan was one of those "let the other team have possession domination", similar to how Leicester played in the first half of last season.
Also cricitising Sissoko for wanting away, hope we never play Ritchie, Hanley, Clark, Diame ever again. Scum, for walking out on there clubs.

What a load of utter drivel.
Shola
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I think its going to be a recurrent problem as, by reputation, management or bookie favouritism, Newcastle have been cast as the pond's big fish, or at least one of them. Sort of how Manchester United or City coverage is almost always about them, or in La Liga, where Barcelona/Real Madrid defeats are more about their shortcomings than the other team being any good.

I'm not sure Fulham weren't that good, tbf. Their game plan was one of those "let the other team have possession domination", similar to how Leicester played in the first half of last season.

What a load of utter drivel.


Yeah Ritchie, Diame turning down the Premier League for more money, Clark walking out on the club that brought him through and Hanley seemingly forcing through a move. Sissoko is a narcissist because he wants to play for a bigger club for more money - and has so far never refused to play for Newcastle.
Number 1
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None of the new NUFC signings have been publicly spending the best part of the last 20 months saying they're a Champions League player at a club too small for them and issuing "come and get me" pleas to bigger clubs that don't want them, though. How is that not thinking way too highly of yourself?

Its moot, anyway - at this rate, he's probably not going to move. If he is picked and duly delivers, we can probably move to some sort of less poisonous truce, but its hardly going well though.
Poe
17 years ago
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Newcastle are in real, real trouble - we've very possibly got the worst central midfield in the division.


Nowt like an overreaction is there
terriersmad
16 years ago
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Great point tonight. Lucky not to be out of sight at half-time as Villa came out of the blocks and gave us a battering. Slightly fortuitous goal, but nothing more than they deserved. We really weren't at the races in the first half, but in the second half we came into it more and after an hour it became one-way traffic. Again, a slightly fortuitous goal - Hefele charging down their keeper's clearance - but thoroughly deserved. We looked much fitter than they did, and simply overpowered them in the last half-hour. One of those games where you just feel that had there been five more minutes a winner was inevitable, but not to be. Still felt like a win.

Villa looked good, to be honest, and I may be proven very wrong by them. They looked a promotion side in that first half and it was only fitness which let them down. That and indiscipline, as when we got on top they reacted quite badly, committing a number of cynical fouls. I thought at the time that Tshibola was booked for a foul by Bacuna, who later got booked, but as it hasn't come up in post-match debate I assume my impression was wrong.
Shola
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Nowt like an overreaction is there


You threw a hissyfit when we were in 8th in the Premier League. We're now in the lowest position of my lifetime.

Shevley is an absolute hindrance, and Hayden is massively out of his depth. If he was a youth teamer rather than a new signing people would be demanding he go out on loan. It's very early days for him, but I can't see the logic in bringing in someone who barely played for Hull last year, as a first team starter in the most important position.
Number 1
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There is such a concept as disappointment relative to each individual situation. The one in 2014, when we fell over the line with 7 losses in 8 and players seemed to visibly give up when Cabaye left, is different to the one we're in now, and it was right at the time to wonder what direction the club really was going after that rather disjointed campaign. But at least we did get an answer to what direction that was - further off the cliff.

I mean, 19 defeats and near relegation in 2012/13 & 2014/15 means I don't really look on either campaign fondly, and 2013/14 was simply bizarre. But we lost half our PL games in 2012-16. Regardless of the odd win streak, there's a losing culture that seems to transcend entire squads and management teams, and clearly, fixing it is going to require something substantial. Maybe expunging the squad had looked an answer, but its obviously created a new one. But we're hardly doomed to having "the worst midfield in the division", or at a point when we should be entertaining the idiots that think Ian Holloway should be made manager immediately.
Great point tonight. Lucky not to be out of sight at half-time as Villa came out of the blocks and gave us a battering. Slightly fortuitous goal, but nothing more than they deserved. We really weren't at the races in the first half, but in the second half we came into it more and after an hour it became one-way traffic. Again, a slightly fortuitous goal - Hefele charging down their keeper's clearance - but thoroughly deserved. We looked much fitter than they did, and simply overpowered them in the last half-hour. One of those games where you just feel that had there been five more minutes a winner was inevitable, but not to be. Still felt like a win.

Villa looked good, to be honest, and I may be proven very wrong by them. They looked a promotion side in that first half and it was only fitness which let them down. That and indiscipline, as when we got on top they reacted quite badly, committing a number of cynical fouls. I thought at the time that Tshibola was booked for a foul by Bacuna, who later got booked, but as it hasn't come up in post-match debate I assume my impression was wrong.

I saw that Hefele equaliser. Its always something to see a goal as a result of a keeper whacking a clearance off an onrushing striker, even if nothing quite as bizarre as the time a Watford keeper whacked one into Chris Wood's face and it went in.
gfnx25
12 years ago
6 years ago
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Drew 0-0 at Coventry last night. Played decent and should have won, but we are lacking a striker who just the simple things right and puts the ball in the net. That was the kind of thing Leon Clarke used to do but since he is gone we are lacking this sort of player. If we can get one of these players we will win this type of games but overall we are doing alright i guess
BR.
17 years ago
2 years ago
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Newcastle are in real, real trouble - we've very possibly got the worst central midfield in the division.


No chance, there's some serious dross in this division (my team probably being the best example).

I'm sure you'll win tonight and will be up near the top in no time.
Poe
17 years ago
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You threw a hissyfit when we were in 8th in the Premier League. We're now in the lowest position of my lifetime.

Shevley is an absolute hindrance, and Hayden is massively out of his depth. If he was a youth teamer rather than a new signing people would be demanding he go out on loan. It's very early days for him, but I can't see the logic in bringing in someone who barely played for Hull last year, as a first team starter in the most important position.


Because we were shit, and still are. Same old problems not being addressed other than we've actually signed some defenders. Still crying out for a left hand side which we have been since Enrique left in about 1746.

Shelvey isn't in the best form but he's clearly better than being the worst in the division, and yes Hayden didn't have the best of time against Huddersfield but he was solid against Fulham - and has still only played 2 games for us.

We're still to make signings anyway, I'm convinced another CM will be one of them.
Number 1
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No chance, there's some serious dross in this division (my team probably being the best example).

I'm sure you'll win tonight and will be up near the top in no time.

Shane Duffy scoring 3 own goals in less than 2 matches indicates something towards the utter dross currently masquerading in Blackburn colours.

Incidentally, another forum I frequent mentioned leaked documents into some of the utter fuck-ups being done by Venky's. Hear anything about this?
Poe
17 years ago
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Isaac Hayden has just absolutely dominated that game btw
Shedender
17 years ago
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Shane Duffy scoring 3 own goals in less than 2 matches indicates something towards the utter dross currently masquerading in Blackburn colours.

And then just to add to insult, he was dismissed in stoppage time. Oh well, at least it'll end his (own goal) scoring streak.

Isaac Hayden has just absolutely dominated that game btw

Shola will still criticise him somehow.
Shola
16 years ago
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He was much improved. His ball for the final goal was excellent. Still big issue of whenever Reading did get the ball forward in central positions we were all at sea, completely played through us. Shelvey again absolutely embarrassing for their goal.

Reading were really bad though. They seemed really naive and wanted to play nice football but without any idea on how to do so. And thankfully Benitez made a slightly more sensible team selection with a front four pretty much in their positions. Still far, far too negative though.


Poe
17 years ago
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I thought the first 30 minutes was excellent. Played right on our front foot

Yeah I think Shelvey and Clark will drop to the Bench for Bristol. Unsure who'll come in. I hope it's Hanley and Tiote. Hayden seems to offer something going forward.

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