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Sam
VP.
chokosc
I really don't understand what they were thinking when they brought Pogba. He is an amazing player, don't get me wrong, but he surely isn't the player to get them CL football. So, you also have Zlatan but along side them, only maybe four or five players really deserve to be at such a big club...
Also, why on earth would he play with Herrera at RB and Young at LB when he has Darmian and Shaw on the bench??? No matter how bad he thinks they are, surely they could have helped more?
Ninja
Shaw's had it coming in fairness. Mourinho now has completed the set: every single manager he's had has called him out publicly. The message apparently hasn't hit home for him yet, so Mourinho has gone nuclear. I'd rather see him try and provoke a response from than shift him out quietly in the summer.
VP.
It should be done behind closed doors though, there's plenty of other players in the squad that he could have a real good moan about imo, Pogba being one of those. But he won't complain about him due to what he's paid for the player and Shaw as far as I'm concerned was just an easy target. Admittedly I've never rated Shaw that highly and remember being one of the ones on here that said Utd had massively overpaid for him, but even so he is still on his way back from a very serious injury and who knows what something like that can do to the mind of a player when back on the pitch.
I really cannot see how saying what he has said publicly can help Shaw, it just adds massive pressure to his game. I'd also love to know what he's like with the likes of Rashford and Martial as both seem to have gone backwards since he took over. Mourinho is great at putting a team together when he can go out and spend whatever he wants but when it comes to bringing through players or simply just improving the younger ones that are already in the squad he is terrible.
EDIT: I will add that i think Shaw is better than both Gibbs and Monreal though as both are awful.
Sam
As Ninja said, Mourinho isn't the first manager to question Shaw's fitness and attitude. Van Gaal, Hodgson and Pochettino have all questioned it in the past.
Martial hasn't been that bad this season tbh, he was pretty poor on Saturday mind. In regards to Rashford, I think he's just trying too hard. Taking extra touches, unnecessarily taking on three players at once and overthinking everything. Playing on the left isn't helping but he played three games as a striker in Ibra's absence and did nothing.
VP.
I've no problem with that and he does often look a bit overweight (for a professional sportsman anyway) but yesterday he was basically saying that Shaw is absolutely clueless on the pitch and he had to constantly tell him what to do ffs
Maybe not been bad but certainly not improved to a level i think both are capable of. Rashford probably got too much praise when he first came into the team so people expect too much from him for some one so young, but Martial really could be a very very good player just looks like he needs someone to give him a bit of belief and confidence and i really can't see Mourinho being that person. Plus both are constantly in and out of the team which won't help them, though this may be due to injury as much as anything else i don't know?
Ninja
We're inevitably guessing about what has and hasn't been said behind closed doors. You'd think by the time it got to the stage where something needed to be said publicly that has been and gone. Pogba's an odd case, you can see now he's been out injured how much he's brining to the team and he is, by any objective measure of a midfielder, playing reasonably well. But he hasn't been great either, and when you spend the money we did on him you expect greatness.
I do think, though, that its a reflection of Mourinho having a decent grasp on the personalities in his squad. He has put his arm around players at times: Fellaini, Pogba, Rashford, and Martial have been publicly backed at times, and he's publicly slated players at others: his treatment of Mkhitaryan provoked a run of about 6 or 7 games where he felt he had a point to prove but he's regressed back to being useless since. If Mourinho thinks Shaw needs to be bought back down to earth I'd back him to be right about it. He was a player with a lot of potential, but a long way from the finished article and I'm not sure if he realised that himself.
As for Martial and Rashford I do think they're both suffering from typical second syndrome really. Martial had a tough Euro's and has had personal problems off the pitch, and I think between you and Sam you've got Rashford about right. Largely, I think they're suffering from teams becoming aware of what they're about and what they do well and the pair of them currently having to adapt to that. I still think they've got a lot to learn, for example Martial just stands still when he doesn't have the ball, and it is as much a technical deficiency as it is a mental problem.
Sam
16/17 has been an utter disaster for refs, something has to be done.
VP.
bmg033
Ninja
It will be less than that I'm sure of it. Our wages and fees are always over-reported because it gets people in a tizzy and gets clicks. IIRC Luke Shaw came out and publicly rubbished the similar figure being banded about.
I'm happy for Lingard though, he's not a world beater, but he's a solid squad option and, when we play well, he makes us play better. His problems have come when he's been put in a team, like the night before last, where he's expected to be the main creator. I'm not sure he can ever be that, but he certainly isn't it now.
Sam
For a club like United £100k p/w is not much at all, and he's nowhere near the highest earners. He deserved a new deal, he's not world class but he's a useful player to have.
Based Jorge
bmg033
Ninja
VP.
Number 1
Ninja
I think the problem with these tackles is the difference between an innocuous enough looking incident and a broken leg is very small which is why referees are (rightly in my opinion) asked to clamp down on the type of tackle rather than on the result of the tackle.
Edit: Also it annoys me that Sky decide to bring the Laws into the discussion and still butcher the definitions.
Shedender
King Luis
EDIT: See above.
Sam
Based Jorge
It'll be even funnier when Arsene signs the new two year deal he has on the table
bmg033
K3V0
This.
They're getting worse and worse every year.
Based Jorge
Walker - Alderweireld - David Luiz - Alonso
Dembele - Kante
Hazard - Alli - Mane
Alexis
for me
Grimnir
VP.
Eric Portapotty
DNZY