stanis.larochelle
8 years ago
2 years ago
191
Age has been restored. Also contract or not?
Cymro
17 years ago
4 days ago
6,379
Age has been restored. Also contract or not?


If you downloaded the update you would find out ....

However the answer was already in this thread ...

Yes it is now optional!
stanis.larochelle
8 years ago
2 years ago
191
If you downloaded the update you would find out ....

However the answer was already in this thread ...

Yes it is now optional!

Laziness......😂😂
ByAzura
9 years ago
4 months ago
28
Premium
Whats with the random kit changes in the Club changes database?
Barcelona and Crystal Palace both had their home kit changed, changing the colours of the club forcing every screen that uses those colours to be near unreadable cause of dark red text on dark blue background.
Arsenals been given their new third kit, but not their away kit.

Having to go through the club changes file everytime a new update is released and removing these edited kits is kind of annoying, especially as they're only half done.
Medmax
12 years ago
11 months ago
82
It is now possible to play without changing the players ages simply by unticking the "Increased Player Ages" box when starting a new game.

Thank you very much Rob, you're the man!!! I imagine it took a lot of your time to apply the change.

Know that we are a lot to appreciate your contribution to the FM community
Dinoc_PG
12 years ago
6 years ago
60
Guys, one issue that I have also to report is that the Club Changes.fmf creates conflict with SSKCC latest file.
As a result you can see below that Real Madrid's away kit doesn't appear.

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20914306_10207973464734775_1758185320297034451_n.jpg?oh=ecb81130cbe912271f3ff779d4212305&oe=5A348FEE
Cymro
17 years ago
4 days ago
6,379


You can submit this yourself ... here ... https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-data-update

Guys, one issue that I have also to report is that the Club Changes.fmf creates conflict with SSKCC latest file.
As a result you can see below that Real Madrid's away kit doesn't appear.

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20914306_10207973464734775_1758185320297034451_n.jpg?oh=ecb81130cbe912271f3ff779d4212305&oe=5A348FEE


That is not really an issue from our end ... we have stated that it might conflict with things like this. I don't think hammer9 is going to look into it and from our end it could be complicated.
Alex Mahone
10 years ago
1 week ago
129
Premium
Hi Guys!

When I download the data update and try to start a new game with the Custom Date + real Fixtures that come along the file, I get an error message related to the Fixture nations..ENG, FRA, GER, etc..

Does anybody here have the same error? Are those files conflicting?

Thank you very much for the brilliant work!

Cheers
Medmax
12 years ago
11 months ago
82
Hi, I'm wondering since I don't see any mention about it here, am I the only one who has Messi with a big wage decreased?

Messi used to get around 3,330,000 euros/month in the previous database, and earns "only" 1,700,000 euros/month now. I thought maybe you put the net wage, even though it should stay gross (we can see the before/after tax on the contract page), but Ronaldo is still paid 2,930,000 euros/month.

The same with Neymar, around 2,500,000 euros/month at Barcelona in the initial database, now 1,900,000 euros/month at PSG in your update, when he should be the highest earner (30M euros/year NET, which is around 45M/year gross..Meaning he's earning ALMOST the same as Pogba: 1,490,000 euros/month which didn't change between the original database and your update.

The same with Dani Alves with a wage of 311,000 euros/month in your database making him as one of the lowest earner at PSG, when he signed for 12M/year in real life??? And his wage was around 700,000 euros/month at Juve in the original database.

Again, the same with Thiago Motta with 284,000 euros/month gross in your database, when it was around 750,000 gross in the original database, reflecting more the reality (almost 800,000 euros/months).

And the list goes on, I've seen so many wage change on players which don' reflect the truth.

Thanks to highlight me if this is a mistake, or how can I fix this myself when your update is in XML document format, and not in FMF (so I can't open it with the editor). Thank you

Sorry to go back to it but am I the only one having this problem? Suarez being paid more than Messi or Neymar? Sergio Ramos or Toni Kroos' wage almost similar to Messi?

Ex of Dani Alves:
- real life: 14M euros/year at PSG, so 1.160.000 euros/month Source
- sortitoutsi update: 311.000 euros/month before tax (165.000 after tax).

The same with Neymar or Messi, they are paid half of what Ronaldo is earning (in the update) compare to in real life.
In EUROS monthly in the 17.3 original DB:
Tevez 2.964.000
Ronaldo 2.932.000
Bale 2.328.000
Lavezzi 2.076.000
Oscar 2.012.000
Suarez 1.950.000
Neymar 1.893.000 in the updated DB (initially 2.500.000 in 17.3 DB)
Messi 1.716.000 in the updated DB (initially 3.333.000 in 17.3 DB)
Kroos 1.676.000
Ramos 1.553.000
Witsel 1.473.000
Except Messi and Neymar, they're all untouched from the original 17.3 DB

I read in different news Lukaku earning between 200.000£ and 300.000£/week = 10 to 15M £/year = 11 to 16M euros/year.= between 900.000 to 1.330.000 euros/month
In my save with the updated DB, he earns 600.000 euros/month, and Ibrahimovic earning 660.000 euros/month (earning much less than Mikthitarian (800.000, Mata (900.000), De Gea (1M) and Pogba (1.5M))

Thanks to have a look at it. I can't open the file and change it myself in the editor

EDIT: I thought the minus 1 year contract was on a separate file. I started a new save and didn' activate the "reduced contract file" (neither the "increased player's age" one)
- The players signing a 5 year deal this summer ending in 2022 in real life have their contract ending in 2021 in game instead (Neymar, Lukaku, Morata, Aurier, Bernardo Silva, Walker...)
- and in 2022 instead of 2023 (Ceballos, Theo Hernandez, Forsberg, Davinson Sanchez, Benjamin Mendy, Lozano...)

BUT:
- Ndidi signing until 2022 in real life appears the same in game (2022)
- players extending their contract have the same date real life/updated database matching (2022: Bale, Lloris, Forsberg, Carrasco, Alli, Kane...)

Sorry Rob, as mentioned in a previous comment I made on page 2, I asked if the real contract dates could be restored and it seems that's what was to happen. I know the game starts in July 2016 but up to now, the sortitousi update has always took into account the real life data (end of contract year) and not the lenght (4 or 5 years deal). Meaning when a player signs a contract until June 2022, that's what I'd like to see in game, and not June 2021 just to match the initial start game. Keep in mind that even if the game starts in July 2016, the players' age match this date.

Is this a new direction with the sortitoutsi update? This opinion may or may not be shared by everyone but I just don't understand this as it makes the game "less" real for me. The Football Manager is a "simulation" based on real life data. It should match let's say Transfermakt website (in terms of contract ending dates) as a reference and not "adapted".

Again, I'm not complaining and just trying to be constructive here. Each year, I only swear by this website update MATCHING reality in terms of wages (approximately) and contract dates but not really keen on the minus 1 year.

Is there a way to have a DB with the real life contract dates? Thank you very much
Footygamer
17 years ago
1 day ago
75,247
Hey thanks for the detailed feedback I'm definitely going to look into it unfortunately it's the weekend now so I'm replying from my phone and don't know when I'll next sit down and open up FM to look myself. I can assure you though that we have not edited Messi's wage at all so it'll be a weird qwerk of the game/editor.

In terms of the years. I don't really get it but I'm happy to try and consider what everyone wants. To explain from my position, people want a data update to replicate real life, there has never been a real life situation where Arsenal have Lacazette and have Ozil and Sanchez still with 2 years on their contract. To release an update where that's the case is totally unrealistic. So we change it so Ozil and Sanchez have one year left. The specific number listed on their contracts saying 2017 instead of 2018 doesn't seem as important as the realism factor of having their contracts expiring soon.

In terms of catering for everyone. Unfortunately due to the nature of the hourly updates building two seperate updates that cater for everyone is too much load on the server. We could perhaps do it as a daily alternative but it's not something I've had the time to look into.
ByAzura
9 years ago
4 months ago
28
Premium
I guess this is a website from UK, and you're more confortable on a weekly pay in Uk pounds. So I just highlighted payers that I may believe the salary is not right.


Zlatan's Wages are correct. He took a large paycut when he rejoined Man Utd.
From over 300k a week to 125k a week.

https://sortitoutsi.net/uploads/mirrored_images/exG0GPXcvJHNsF84eHIawVgHQwM7SGuH9HWeRlwF.png
Medmax
12 years ago
11 months ago
82
Thanks Rob, absolutely no rush at all. I understand your point of view though and can understand why people may prefer it like that.
The thing is I always start with no transfer budget and like to try to "freeze" the squads at the beginning. I worry that if all the contracts are reduced by one year, it may accelerate the "big" transfers process (Griezmann to Bayern, Lewandowski to Real, Benzema to United, etc... you get my point) and I prefer when this happen the lastest in game (even though there's no control on it).
Just wondering, is there a way to open the file in the editor so I won't have to bother no one with this? Since this is an XML document format and not a FMF, I can't acces it.

ByAzura, thanks mate, I'm certain of some mistakes in the salary (Dani Alves 12/14M, Messi, Neymar 45M, Cavani 10/12M, Thiago Motta , Aurier 6M, Dembele 12M euros/year...) but others that I'm not sure (Lukaku, Morata, Coutinho, Ibrahimovic, Benjamin Mendy, Bernardo Silva, Matic...). That's why I used "may" and thought people will be more knowledgeable than me as they play in the British Premier League.

Thank you guys
Footygamer
17 years ago
1 day ago
75,247
(ignore this, see next post)

@Medmax (or anyone else) if you go to Messi's player history (where you left a comment) and click "Download" on the enabled change then you can get a file with JUST the Messi based changes. This would be a good way to test if it's a problem with our system or one of the base files (possibly one of the FMF files is interfering).

https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-data-update/player/7458500
Footygamer
17 years ago
1 day ago
75,247
Holy shit i've just seen the stupidest bug in the code that will definitely be affecting wages, I will fix it asap.

EDIT: probably fixed, once the next build happens at 3pm try again
Medmax
12 years ago
11 months ago
82
Not sure if that's what you're asking for but:
- I downloaded the last "enabled" with JUST the Messi change
- I started a save with JUST the Messi file activated in the editor data file
And here is the result:

EDIT: Ok, just reading your 2nd message. I'm glad you found the issue
Medmax
12 years ago
11 months ago
82
Holy shit i've just seen the stupidest bug in the code that will definitely be affecting wages, I will fix it asap.

EDIT: probably fixed, once the next build happens at 3pm try again

Thank you Rob, you definitely fixed the problem and the salaries are much more in tune with reality. Thank you for your time.
coach.ita
13 years ago
1 year ago
108
In the end ... is the time to start a new great season?
Or are there any major upgrades (team budgeting)?
Thank you for the great work !!!
knotclown
10 years ago
5 years ago
52
Hi Rob, will there be any update for clubs finances, injuries, bans, CA/PA players, etc... ?
Cymro
17 years ago
4 days ago
6,379
Hi Rob, will there be any update for clubs finances, injuries, bans, CA/PA players, etc... ?


Yes ... it has been said in other posts ... maybe in this thread also ...

No CA/PA changes ...

Finances are now being worked on ...
stanis.larochelle
8 years ago
2 years ago
191
Sorry my ignorance, but what is CA/PA?
knotclown
10 years ago
5 years ago
52
Sorry my ignorance, but what is CA/PA?

it's Current and Potential Ability
Vitor Wilson
6 years ago
1 year ago
1
Good night, I downloaded the update I did everything right, I chose a new game, customized ... but when we choose the leagues in the database, it is full of error signals, not to use several leagues, correct it quickly sff, thank you
VP.
13 years ago
1 week ago
25,271
Good night, I downloaded the update I did everything right, I chose a new game, customized ... but when we choose the leagues in the database, it is full of error signals, not to use several leagues, correct it quickly sff, thank you


You need to make sure there are no other update files being used, only the Sortitoutsi files. Also you need to be playing the game via Steam, not a Torrent/downloaded copy.
Footygamer
17 years ago
1 day ago
75,247
Hi Rob, will there be any update for clubs finances, injuries, bans, CA/PA players, etc... ?

When FM18 comes out we'll update FM17 with that data. But we won't use anything other than official SI data for things like finances, CA, PA and player attributes
TheMinsterman
17 years ago
1 week ago
1,271
Finances are now updated in the Club & League Changes files for England (Football League), Spain (Top two divisions), France (Top two divisions), Italy (Top two divisions) and Germany (All playable divisions).
coach.ita
13 years ago
1 year ago
108
Finances are now updated in the Club & League Changes files for England (Football League), Spain (Top two divisions), France (Top two divisions), Italy (Top two divisions) and Germany (All playable divisions).


Will other championships also be updated? Premier League already ok?
Thanks
TheMinsterman
17 years ago
1 week ago
1,271
Will other championships also be updated? Premier League already ok?
Thanks


I'll likely tweak other leagues too yes, priority was the "big five" as that is where most of the money is which has a big impact on the big transfers AI will go for etc.
ByAzura
9 years ago
4 months ago
28
Premium
I'll likely tweak other leagues too yes, priority was the "big five" as that is where most of the money is which has a big impact on the big transfers AI will go for etc.


Are you going to finish editing the kit colours in the file?
You've got a bunch of teams half done. A bunch of clubs have one of their new kits added, but still have their old ones for the other two.
I've had to go through and delete as many as I could so they didn't override the changes made by SSKPC's.

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