New Data Update Feature: Transfers set as Future Transfers with Real World Date

Transfermarkt has it set up like this as well, so we can just copy that

Cool, let's follow that example and I think we have to update a couple of top-tier transfers (like Coutinho and Chiesa) and try to comply to this for FM23, since backtracing is quite impossible for these cases. Although it is data original loan club equals current club with transfer in the data update as query.

I'll also think about a setup for the form on the data update page @Footygamer since there are a lot of ‘rules’ right now which I think can be streamlined a bit more, making it clear what should be filled in. Here comes the UX/UI'er in me 😛

Here is a new beta. Completely untested.

Great! Will take a look asap! Tagging @Robin Heart because of his interest in this too.

@Footygamer 

Players that leave on a free contract still seem to join their new club earlier than 01/07/22, in some cases it works (Mazraoui) since those are updated and have the correct dates ingame

Apart from those small details I feel this beta version is very stable - from testing a couple of clubs it seems like almost all transfers are correctly set. So starting a save is definitely possible now with this file.

https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-data-update/person/37060937

Will you also set this up that it will run nightly just like the normal data update?

Thanks Brothers 😊
@wfm18 + @Footygamer 

I will test that “beta” File now and i can give You some Feedback as soon as possible.  

Edit: Fine File, 💕👍

but some Things i found: Example FC Barcelona

• Raphinha from Leeds United to Barca in 12.07.2022 for free and not for 58 Million Euro
• Lewandowski from Bayern München to Barca in 19.07.2022 for free and not for 45 Million Euro
• Kessie and Christensen is right, Free Transfer to Barca 04.07.2022 

Example FC Bayern München

• M. de Ligt from Juventus Turin to Barca in 19.07.2022 for free and not for 67 Million Euro
• S. Mane from Liverpool to Barca in 01.07.2022 for free and not for 32 Million Euro

Result: it is amazing, to see so many future transfers to future date !!!

so, it is not possible to include the real Transfers Money/Prize?

Cheers.

@Robin Heart yes the fees are free, two reasons: data is not recorded but I think it would also massively influence the money system within the game, which impacts your save on the long-term. Like Bayern spending 80 million for De Ligt while they might not have it, transfer budgets going crazy. Maybe @Daveincid can back me up on this, as he works on finance fixes in his massive realism project 🙂

@wfm18 

I mean the project is still a BETA. I don't know how the AI reacts if the fees need to be paid in 1 year. My guess would be that the AI could handle it. Worth a test? Maybe changing only Bayern and another team which spent a ton of money?

Test 1 with 1st transfer window disabled

Test 2 with 1st transfer window enabled

Edit:

@kingrobbo ‘s comment below stopped the test before it even started 😀

when you set up a future transfer  in the pre game editor with a fee set, no money actual changes hands between buying/selling clubs

 its a system that has always been broken and SI have been made aware many times 

so the fee is just to make it look ‘realistic’ it is superficial and has no bearing on the club's finances

[I havent checked if this is the case on latest patch BTW-But it has never worked previously]

Our system would have to be completely rewritten to handle fees. One of the reasons this future transfer update is such a headache is because we don't record transfers we simply edit the player, so if David Unsworth moves from West Ham to Aston Villa and then a month later moves to Everton, we don't record the 2 transfers we just change his club from West Ham to Everton and his contract signed date.

I'm not interested in trying to record more information like transfer history and fees because the whole project is already alot of work for everyone involved and having people argue about what fee has been put in and spending ages editing fees would damage rather than benefit the overall project.

Great comment, thanks for the clarification. Worthwile implementing this into the FM23 data update then for a little added realism

True, the data handling part is difficult. Like people can fake these fees, changing the record just for the fee 6 times. So with that in mind that would also be a good argument not to do it indeed.

It is impossible to automatically fix people like Nordin Musampa, people just have to make sure the submissions themselves are correct.

That example seems simple, this guy plays in Europe and has a date for April, people can't move in April therefore it should be July 1st.

But this guy moved in March if that was English Premier League that would be a mistake and it should be moved to July 1st, but because it's Brazil it's fine.

To know if that's right or wrong you would need to know the exact transfer windows for every single nation.

I don't think there's anything more I can do with this future update, it's always going to be a little buggy unfortunately.

In terms of running nightly it needs some work to recode things behind the scenes. The whole system is designed around having one update, so switching to two is not insignificant and will likely introduce alot of bugs around the site.

(1) Yes I guess for FM22 that is what it is, for FM23 the data will be cleaner for sure.

(2) Exactly, so if we have correct data we wouldn't have to do this anymore - I guess that will reduce a lot of complexity that we now face.

(3) Yeah I think it's fine this way, especially once we get clean data with the FM23 data update.

(4) Makes sense, will you be creating this Future Transfers file periodically or was this just a test? It's completely unique compared to other data update files, so it's really cool to have it around at least periodically. Either automated or manually. Just a shame I/we cannot help you out with this.

Fyi @wfm18: all Eredivisie transfers are now updated to 01/07 (or later)

Cool! But that requires a new version of this file right 😛

At least this is a great start, let's see where FM23 takes us with this 🙂

@Footygamer Do you have the time to create a new version? Last one was 8 days ago

@BramNUFC 

Hi

 saw your comment in this thread- https://sortitoutsi.net/content/60688/a-mistake#comment_696411 

just FYI regarding fees etc

cheers

Here is another update…

Will you create another version once the transfer window closes? 🙂

Sure, I'm trying to find the time to setup it up so we have 3 updates everyday Future, with Start Date File and without Start Date File.

But I just can't find the time 😢

New one?

Literally one post up is the answer 🙂 wait a little until our maestro @Footygamer found some time to implement 😉

Hopefully today 🙂

This is now live and available under the “Alternative Updates” section and automatically built every night.

Insane work - many thanks for bringing this to the FM community!

Great work!

Thanks

Hello. I want ask, if it could be an optional file, with the (real) subtitions rule with 5 players (in 3 stoppages) and 9-12 bench players?

Thank you forward.

Hello everyone,

is this feature working? I've download on the 5th January the data update, hoping that transers would be set just to the real time date, instead, they were done at the start of the save. Is it going to be fixed?

Cheers and good work!