FM.Challenge

@Azrael whether or not it fits the exact definition of plagiarism isn't the point, we're not the police or a court of law. We're a community and you need to follow the basic standards of the community and be seen to give more than you try to take otherwise you're not welcome.

 

He used another skin as a base and copy and pasted everything about it even it's description and credits and didn't give that skin credit, if we was just posting as a forum topic you might call it forgetful, but he managed to remember many other things like recording a YouTube channel to show it off, which makes it seem like he's not forgetful he simply didn't care, or at least cared more about promoting himself than anything else, which makes him seem like a bad member of the community. Later when called out on this he was argumentative before adding the smallest possible credit made up of 8 extra characters. Quite rightly this has pissed off other people mostly sasmaz the author of the file he took.

 

People have now asked for the post to be deleted as punishment, I agree that some sort of “punishment” is due otherwise we're just accepting the initial actions as okay. I've suggested that as “punishment” he should share what changes he's made and how he's made them in such a way that would reassure other creators that he has put in significant effort and that would act as a tutorial for other people wanting to learn how to do the same. I think this is a nice, creative and fair “punishment” and that if he was smart about it would actually help him alot.

 

But instead he completely ignored my posts and made me ask 3 times, then when he did respond he completely ignored the suggestion and gave the most basic “i'm sorry it won't happen again” response as if i'm his mother and he's a 13 year old boy, which he might well be for all I know.

 

That feels like a slap in the face when I could have easily sided with the people he took from but instead have gone out of my way to give him the benefit of the doubt and the opportunity to make amends.

 

Having said that English clearly isn't his first language and he clearly does have enthusiasm and some basic talent which could improve over time so I want to give him the opportunity to turn things around.

 

@A.Salah91 in order to make amends please update the description to give more detail about what changes you've made and how you've made them including a some basic instructions with before and after code samples that could help other people in your position who are eager to learn how to make skins. If you are unable to do so and can't offer a good reason, or if you simply refuse because you don't want to i'm going to side with those people who are asking for it to be deleted.

 

I think that's fair.

@Azrael whether or not it fits the exact definition of plagiarism isn't the point, we're not the police or a court of law. We're a community and you need to follow the basic standards of the community and be seen to give more than you try to take otherwise you're not welcome.

 

He used another skin as a base and copy and pasted everything about it even it's description and credits and didn't give that skin credit, if we was just posting as a forum topic you might call it forgetful, but he managed to remember many other things like recording a YouTube channel to show it off, which makes it seem like he's not forgetful he simply didn't care, or at least cared more about promoting himself than anything else, which makes him seem like a bad member of the community. Later when called out on this he was argumentative before adding the smallest possible credit made up of 8 extra characters. Quite rightly this has pissed off other people mostly sasmaz the author of the file he took.

 

People have now asked for the post to be deleted as punishment, I agree that some sort of “punishment” is due otherwise we're just accepting the initial actions as okay. I've suggested that as “punishment” he should share what changes he's made and how he's made them in such a way that would reassure other creators that he has put in significant effort and that would act as a tutorial for other people wanting to learn how to do the same. I think this is a nice, creative and fair “punishment” and that if he was smart about it would actually help him alot.

 

But instead he completely ignored my posts and made me ask 3 times, then when he did respond he completely ignored the suggestion and gave the most basic “i'm sorry it won't happen again” response as if i'm his mother and he's a 13 year old boy, which he might well be for all I know.

 

That feels like a slap in the face when I could have easily sided with the people he took from but instead have gone out of my way to give him the benefit of the doubt and the opportunity to make amends.

 

Having said that English clearly isn't his first language and he clearly does have enthusiasm and some basic talent which could improve over time so I want to give him the opportunity to turn things around.

 

@A.Salah91 in order to make amends please update the description to give more detail about what changes you've made and how you've made them including a some basic instructions with before and after code samples that could help other people in your position who are eager to learn how to make skins. If you are unable to do so and can't offer a good reason, or if you simply refuse because you don't want to i'm going to side with those people who are asking for it to be deleted.

 

I think that's fair.

Ok, I just have to say this. This guys skin has to be one of the best out there. I have used Sas skin up until this one. Ok, he may be using parts from all the skins out there to make it, but he makes it work well. I have checked the OP, he has given credit to all the skin makers he has taken his ideas/panels/graphics from. I also get the impression that English is not his first language, so he may be having difficulty understanding what he has done wrong. Asking the site to remove the skin is very harsh imho. Anyway, that is my thoughts, I love this skin and i am looking forward to other updates.

@A.Salah91 I didn't ask you to post screenshots comparing specific screens or screenshots of conversations asking for permission from other people. I asked you to detail what you did take, from who and what changes you've made.

 

It's very frustrating to be consistently ignored and you're doing yourself no favours acting this way.

 

At the very least even if you have permission from other people, @sasmaz clearly hasn't given you permission and wants you to remove his work, so for now i've disabled your download, please reupload a new one after you've removed anything of sasmaz's you've used, you can of course continue to use the stuff from other people who have given you permission.

 

I would suggest you document what you've changed, it would be a dick move to discreetly remove things and force other people to try and figure out the changes you've made.

 SAS would not have known about this work without me sending it to him

I was made aware of this by a comment made in the SI Skinning forum by @Just Howie before you where called out and then pm'd me
if you like i can grab the comments of which you PM'ed me here and the comment there ?

 

Anyway - i've checked your new update and even tho you have “just” moved some of my files into other folders - I can accept the amount you have removed and see no further issues here - and to show my good will, i'll let you keep my "Bookmark" menu

 

i will however keep an eye on further updates, just to make sure you do not just copy stuff back and once again call it your work

 

for further info: please don't keep lying about stuff like this, skin creators know there own work and if you had not kept lying and calling me a liar etc, things could have gone more smoothly and you would have been able to gain help and advise etc from me.

 

@Footygamer  - I see no further issues here and OP can keep his version, but as i've written further up. i'll keep an eye out for future “moving files back” and you'll be notified 🙂  

The “trust me bro” response is pretty frustrating that basically leaves it up to sasmaz to investigate himself. It would be alot easier if you listed what you used originally and what you changed. If it's not possible for you to do so you could at least explain why.

 

This whole episode really feels like pulling teeth.

I don't fully understand what you mean. If you ask me I can give you an example of my modifications. 

Like this original page. 

 

And this changed me. 

 

 

Do you mean that?

Look at the difference between the home page. We will notice the difference between the first time and the last time. My body has changed, proof that I am changing myself.

 

 

personally, i don't see any difference. you were even too lazy to change the specific look of the manager home selector panel to make it look the same as other selector panels on other pages.

There are lots more errors, I used it for 10mins and couldn’t take any more and have gone back

I am trying to remove the panel where I put the white rectangle

You will need. the author to tell you, although that’s like identifying all Boris Johnson’s kids

I am trying to remove the panel where I put the white rectangle

There are lots more errors, I used it for 10mins and couldn’t take any more and have gone back

Hi mate, the match sharpness/condition % was removed in the latest fix. Was this intentional?

Do you maybe know how to make the condition of the players display by percentage like in sas skin. Do you know what files need to be replaced?