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This is on the todo list

Demanding attention? It was a query and I wasnt sure who was best placed to help! 

I was using FM24 as im not keen on FM26 and was using Files (The Real Fixtures and Results FM24) to start in July 2025 onward that are on your site which directs you to the no date change download. Thats says its being updated but its not. The regular FM24 download isn't suitable due to the date changes with age and contracts! 

Thanks

Unfortunately we've never supported the real fixtures and start dates files because they are not realistic all playoff matches get simulated and therefore create inaccurate league structures.

The no date file was primarily aimed at South American leagues and other leagues that start in January, which have not been relevant the past few months.

We usually reintroduce these around this time of year as those leagues finish in real life.

No problem. Thats all I wanted to know really. 

I will give FM26 another go (Hopefully its better after the updates) as i can't do the change of ages and contract lengths for FM24, messes with my head too much haha

Cheers

Bryan

Tiaguinho appears twice in the database. He exists on the original FM database, and the wonderkid pack that comes built-in with the data update adds a duplicate.

 

How can we or you guys edit a TEMPORARY BAN for a player in your update? In this case is for football bets. He should be banned until the end of February 2026. He is on a free transfer now.
The player is PIETRO MARTINO: https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-data-update/person/43161768

His ban was sentenced like this, with reductions that SHOULD go like this at the moment: 

Total ban was 20 months, BUT:

- 2 months reduction, converted into a fee
- 9 months reduction for attending therapy

= 9 months of ban remaining from June 2025 = Banned until February 28th 2026.
 

This is not noted on Transfermarkt. Sources are: the italian official federation sentence, italian news and italian Wikipedia (sorry no translations): https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pietro_Martino

RIMINI Football Club (Italy) that has officially bankrupted, has been dissolved and removed from Italian Serie C/B on the last November 28th, it needs further releasing the remaining staff in the game: there is still all the staff of the U20 and U18, plus 2 scouts and 1 physio and doctors and all the board. 

And the club has to be erased from the Serie C/B, from the whole game. The final court sentence has just arrived in the last few days. In real life the other clubs in the league will not play against them any more, plus their points from wins and draws against Rimini have been deducted. FM has to reflect reality.
And if this club is still in the game, they will buy players and staff, which is stupid and unrealistic.

Rimini FC: https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-2026/team/2219/rimini-football-club

Sources: anywhere in the Italian sports news.
Transfermarkt news: https://www.transfermarkt.it/rimini-ufficiale-lesclusione-dalla-serie-c-la-nuova-classifica-del-girone-b/view/news/463514

Official Facebook page: Rimini Football Club, the last post on Nov. 28th.

Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rimini_FC_1912 

I'm not seeing any dynamic data in the FM24 data update. When I bought this last year, I remember having a folder for it. Is it somewhere else now? Searching “dynamic” in the folder gives me nothing.

Also, is it possible to add new players without using the +2 years update? Tried it but not seeing Lennart Karl etc in the game. Unless they're not part of the new players added? Some attributes have updated but then I see Yamal with 161 PA? 

The attributes update every 20 minutes so each save is unique rather than having 10 different files to use.

Do you mean the no year update? The no year update hasn't been updated recently.

Have they announced yet what will happen next year in terms of extra teams being promoted or reduced number of relegations?

It is not a quick fix to reduce the teams in the league by 1, although we will look into doing that.

A quicker fix might be to release all the players and give them a transfer embargo.

Any thoughts @M.C ?

They say Rimini will start over from Eccellenza league next season, we'll see.
Now I see all the players have been released on a free transfer in the game (I don't know if done by you or by S.I.), but just some staff is left to be released, as you see in my screenshot above. 

Some of the players have already been signed by other teams, I hope those have been updated in your update.

Sure you have to stop Rimini from signing players and staff, and we have to impact their finances with huge debt of bankrupt. Some other modders have given -100 points of penalty to Rimini in the Serie C/B table. I don't know what S.I. will do in the official winter update about this.

Now I copy/paste from the internet about Serie C new rules in its three Groups:

In Serie C now the B group has 19 teams following Rimini's bankruptcy. So the direct relegations from the whole Serie C to the Serie D have been reduced from 9 (it was three for each Group) to 8 in total.

The teams ranked last in Groups “A” and “C” are relegated directly to the Serie D, to cover 2 relegations.

The remaining 6 relegations will be settled through the Play-Outs in the three groups, according to the following formula.

>>> PLAY-OUTS of Serie C groups A and C:

The Play-Outs for Groups “A” and “C” will be played between the teams ranked: second-to-last, third-to-last, fourth-to-last and fifth-to-last, according to the following formula: 

a) The fifth-to-last plays a first leg and a second leg against the team placed second-to-last; the first leg is played on the pitch of the second-to-last.

b) The fourth-to-last plays a first leg and a second leg against the team placed third-to-last; the first leg is played on the pitch of the third-to-last.

c) At the end of those two matches, in the event of a tie in scores, the goal difference will be taken into account to determine the winning team; in the event of a further tie, the team with the best ranking at the end of the regular season will be considered the winner.

The teams that are losers will be relegated to the Serie D.
BUT: Cases of DIRECT RELEGATION Groups A and C without going through the play-outs: 

a) If the second-to-last at the end of the regular season has a gap from the fifth-to-last that's greater than 8 points, it will be directly relegated to the Serie D.

b) If the third-to-last at the end of the the regular season has a gap from the fourth-to-last that's greater than 8 points, it will be directly relegated to the Serie D.

>>> PLAY-OUTS of Serie C group B, changing:

The Play-Outs for Group “B” without Rimini FC will be played between the teams ranked: LAST, second-to-last, third-to-last and fourth-to-last, according to the following formula:

a) The fourth-to-last plays a first leg and a second leg against the last-placed; the first leg is played on the pitch of the last-placed team.
b) The third-to-last plays a first leg and a second leg against the second-to-last; the first leg is played on the pitch of the second-to-last.

c) At the end of the two matches, in the event of a tie, the goal difference will be taken into account to determine the winning team. In the event of a further tie, the team with the best ranking at the end of the regular season will be considered the winner. 

The teams that are losers will be relegated to the Serie D.

BUT: Cases of DIRECT RELEGATION group B without going through the play-outs, changing: 

a) If the LAST at the end of the regular season has a gap from the fourth-to-last that's greater than 8 points, it will be directly relegated to the Serie D.
b) If the second-to-last at the end of the the regular season has a gap from the third-to-last that's greater than 8 points, it will be directly relegated to the Serie D.

= Summary, basically in the Group B all the criteria based on rankings are down-shifted of one position as compared to Groups A and C.

Changes in the promotion's PLAY-OFFs as well:

Anyway the total number of promotions from Serie C to Serie B is 4 and remains the same. 

All the rights to get directly promoted (i.e. the regular season winners of each Group, total of 3) and the rights to get into the Play-offs based on rankings remain the same (from 2nd to the 10th of each Group + the winner of Coppa Italia of Serie C, etc. etc. so to get a total of 28 teams in the Play-offs). 

And only the one winner of the whole Play-offs will get promoted (alongside the regular season winners of each Group), remains the same. 

But taking into account the lower number of teams participating in the Serie C due to the Rimini FC bankrupt, in order to ensure homogeneity in the application of the criteria between the groups, as a compensation for the best ranked teams rules, there will be a coefficient applied for Group B.
Regularly into the Play-offs, the criteria for best ranked teams rules are these:
a) best ranking in their group;
b) if tie: highest number of points acquired in the ranking;

c) If still tie: greatest number of victories achieved;

d) If still tie: highest number of goals scored.

e) If still tie: draw between the teams.

BUT for the teams in Group B, as the bankrupted one is missing, they will apply a multiplier coefficient of 1.055555 to each of the criteria above, which is obtained from the number of regular season games in groups "A" and "C" (which is 38) divided by the number of regular season games in group "B" (which is 36), so it's 38/36 = 1.055555.

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Source: https://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/serie-c/serie-c-l-esclusione-del-rimini-cambia-le-regole-di-playoff-e-playout-nel-girone-b-2181874

Thanks for reporting.

This is fixed now and i've added a guide on how people can do this themselves here: https://sortitoutsi.net/content/75869/helping-to-fix-duplicate-players 

Seeing marcus rashford in crystal palace, player name missing from the data update hub - 
 

Hey I had a question, love those updates. The ability submissions done before Fm 26 (So older ones like done in April 2025) aren't used over the FM26 official CA/PA right?  I submitted a 114CA upgrade against the official 109 CA at the beginning of FM26, so now it will use 114CA right since approved? And it never used the 98CA which was done at 28 February 2025 over the original 109CA right for FM26.

Summary: I see a lot of CA submissions done for FM24 in the players screen, wouldn't it be better to only see changes done for FM26 and not for FM24 (Or maybe differiante it/split it somehow, since you now see ability changes done before and after FM26)

For example in this case https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-data-update/person/2000181767

Someone has accidentally set Abdul Ouedraogo as having the same ID as FM ID based on this post

That is frustrating and I will have to add in some extra controls and moderation to prevent people doing that which is going to slow everything down 😢

We've had this debate about how to handle attribute submissions. It makes sense to keep ones submitted in September since that is relatively recently and possibly even more recently than the official researcher set it.

But exactly how far back to go is difficult to assess, right now it's only using submissions from the past 6 months.

I guess what should really happen is changing the status for older ones to “expired” so that it's clear in the UI to everyone

Thanks for the answer! One quick question left, when a submission is for a player is done like for example in august, is that used over the official FM26 CA or PA in the data update  or would the FM26 then be used ? (Since indeed FM 26 research could indeed be from earlier)

New to this, is there a way that I can change my game start date to 2025 or similar, please?

@Darryl Stott is it not possible to start in 2025 with an updated DB. It is not possible to set fixtures for cup games so the game simulates them. This includes play offs and split seasons like Scotland. That means you get the wrong teams promoted and relegated so it's not accurate.

I thought I found a downloadable ‘Custom Start Date’ file on here, will that not work?

It doesn't use a single submission it uses all of them and each download varies therefore making each save unique.

E.g.

FM26 = 180
Steve = 185

John = 175

The CA would vary to be between 175 and 185 on each new build of the data update.

The logic is a little more complex than that, in that example with just 2 submissions extra weight would be on FM26 so it would be more likely to be 181 or 182 than 185 or 175.

However in cases such as this:

FM26 = 180
Steve = 185

John = 175

Howard = 188
Trevor = 190
Andy = 182

It wouldn't just be random between 175 and 190 extra weight would be given to that 180-188 range where lots of people have placed making it more likely than the 175

It will have the problems I stated.

George Baldock appears to be back in the update for Sheffield United after passing away whilst playing for Panathinaikos. Please have him removed again. (And RIP Georgey)

@thehet I can't find what you're referring to.

Can you be clear what you mean by “the update” do you mean the official 26.1 or our update? If our update do you mean FM24 or FM26?

Providing his FM ID that you're seeing in game might help.

Sorry mate, should have done this first time. 

I'm on FM24 so 24.3 update with the Enhanced Update as of 30/12.

29063519 is his FM ID.

Last time I was playing (admittedly a few months ago) he had been removed but now appears to be back in, though I cannot find him in the search function of the update on here which is odd.

Thanks

The other thing I noticed when starting a new save (FM24) is some points deductions were not applied (Sheffield Wednesday in the Championship for example). Their transfer embargo is applied however, just not the points deductions.

I don't know if this is the right place but can someone tell me why the new players photo pack for FM24 has player photos removed and not replaced even though they're in the game?

Thanks

@shadytheorist it's much easier to help you if you give examples.

Otherwise the only alternative is for me to try and guess what you're referring to by taking a backup from a few weeks ago and look through thousands of players to try and figure out which players had pictures then and which don't now which will take hours and hours.

Or you could give one or two examples and I could look into it in 5 minutes.

Looks like Saka has somehow ended up at TPS in the FM24 update. tried the latest one and its the same. 

Love suggesting stuff! One question, when I submitted a new player it says active, but what’s the difference between Active and approved and is there a minimum of information to be added to get it approved?