K3V0
16 years ago
2 years ago
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Newcastle press reporting Ben Arfa to Hull.

Should such a move happen, that would piss off some fans enough. Should he move and then score in Hull's seemingly annual win at SJP, there'll probably be horse punching again.


Number 1
17 years ago
1 year ago
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Loan move, so at least e won't be scoring at St. James'.

Probably the only conclusion of yet another deadline day where we seemed more devoted to unnecessary sales. What a waste of time.
Shola
16 years ago
6 years ago
2,708
Shame MYM and HBA have gone. To be honest HBA has probably had less than 10 good games in the past 2 seasons, and MYM has never looked convincing, but I would have still liked to see them play.


I think Newcastle are going to have a bad season. The main issue is I think the club have totally missed what made this Newcastle team rise, and have sold the fringe players, in an attempt to move on to better things. Shola, Best, Perch, Simpson, Lovenkrands, Guthrie all gone, Jonas, S. Taylor and R. Taylor marginalised, completely missing the squad elements.

The star players like Cabaye, HBA, Remy and Ba may go, but the club should have ensured that the foundation remained the same.
Number 1
17 years ago
1 year ago
3,650
Next four games are all four we lost last year, and games we rarely win. If we lose all 4 we'll be bottom for the October break and then what?
Ninja
15 years ago
7 years ago
5,341
Next four games are all four we lost last year, and games we rarely win. If we lose all 4 we'll be bottom for the October break and then what?


Weren't you in a similar situation last year then went on a stupidly good run which basically ensured you were safe in december?
Number 1
17 years ago
1 year ago
3,650
Weren't you in a similar situation last year then went on a stupidly good run which basically ensured you were safe in december?

The run was 7 wins in November/December. Before then we'd won 3 I think, so we had a foundation to push on from, plus Debuchy, Cabaye, and Remy, plus Sissoko and Gouffran when they actually gave a shit. Anything less than 6 points in the October international break means we're in desperate shit, and this year has been hideous form as it is.
Shola
16 years ago
6 years ago
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Not being daft, but we could turn to Shola who traditionally comes into steady the ship.
Number 1
17 years ago
1 year ago
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Unless Sammy has his brother's nack of scoring against the mackems, we can't even call on that card.
Poe
18 years ago
2 weeks ago
3,675
Will miss Ben Arfa - scored probably the best goal I've ever seen in a football stadium and is a genuine entertainer. Love the guy. Been treated very harshly by Pardew because he doesn't like him - which is petty.

We've weakened our squad this transfer window, haven't replaced Cabaye or Remy who were both integral to the team last year - when we lost them we went to shit.

No momentum going forward, fans are going to be on Pardew's back this year unless we're playing good football and winning games, two things he seemingly hates doing.
Poe
18 years ago
2 weeks ago
3,675
HBA: "They shout 'Go, take him on, take him on', you know you can fly. You go and fly. It's a pleasure to play in front of our supporters."



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iXigKaL93k

doesnt track back enough that lad
Number 1
17 years ago
1 year ago
3,650
It defies belief we could sign 9 players and still have a weaker squad, but the lack of a proper Remy replacement, the idiotic decision to only have 3 fit centre-backs (the same trio who were in our Championship team in 2009-10), getting rid of creative players because they feel inhibited by our idiot manager's 'tactical genius' and still have the manager and coach that have presided over some of our worst ever form its a problem.

Talk of us being in the relegation zone after the final whistle on the final day is premature as I do feel there are at least 4 teams worse than us, but it's no consolation as we should be trying to be better than simply "16th or higher" (as 2012-13 disintegrated into), and the next month already looks like a nightmare waiting to unfold.
Poe
18 years ago
2 weeks ago
3,675
Pardew is going to have to hide in his dugout again
Shola
16 years ago
6 years ago
2,708
I don't like Pardew but there is no point in re-writing history.

Pardew has tried several times to build the side around HBA. Pardew also loved Cabaye, and is trying to build the side around De Jong and Cabella. He clearly wants to build the side around a creative number 10. (Although the actual results have been piss poor)

Has there ever been any actual reference to 'tracking back' seems an easy cop out, the issue always seems to be several performances where he didn't look interested or fit. I'm not saying it's HBA's fault, I don't know the details, but he has left Newcastle in the same way as he left Marseille and Lyon, under a cloud and the club willing to cut it's losses on a talented player, whilst his career goes backwards.
Poe
18 years ago
2 weeks ago
3,675
He said he wasn't willing to play him until he worked harder for the team.

My interpretation of that is defensive duties.
Shola
16 years ago
6 years ago
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Poe
18 years ago
2 weeks ago
3,675
Dummett out

Tbf he is shit but it's not his fault he's being picked.

Independant are normally quite good with Newcastle stories, hopefully this one is true.
Number 1
17 years ago
1 year ago
3,650
I can't even read what's on the fucking flag I mean, I know my eyesight is woeful but c'mon.

I don't like backing opponents to Newcastle, but I daresay this may encourage some people to be cheering on Southampton and Hull in the next two games.
Shola
16 years ago
6 years ago
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Pardew, Ashley, Charnley, Dummett out.

I don't get what people see in Haidara, he tends to make lots of defensive mistakes. And his attacking generally consisted of running really fast before kicking it at the GK. Dummett may attack less but it's generally of a higher quality. And at least he's not on set pieces any more.

Pardew can have no complaints if he gets sacked, but aside from a short term improvement, I am fairly confident Newcastle won't be much better off in 12 months time. Unless Charnley/Ashley go really outside the box. Javi Gracia is my pick.

This is my ninth season as a season ticket holder, and tbh out of the managers we've had in order it's probably; Keegan, Hughton, Pardew, Roeder, Kinnear, Souness, Shearer, Allardyce.
Number 1
17 years ago
1 year ago
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I get the first 3 but what the fuck did Dummett do for a place on that flag?

Yes he's not as good as Santon but he's probably the better back-up of our 23 other left-backs, and Haidara has gone backwards of late (admittedly he's not the only one under Pardew but still).
Poe
18 years ago
2 weeks ago
3,675
Dummett is awful at defending as well as attacking though.

He's one of the worst players I've seen play for us, and he's Pardew's favourite
Poe
18 years ago
2 weeks ago
3,675
I can't wait for 12 months time when Pardew is still in charge and he's ruined Cabella, Aarons and Siem De Jong.
Shola
16 years ago
6 years ago
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Do you honestly believe that Pardew ruins players?
KEZ_7
18 years ago
3 weeks ago
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Do you honestly believe that Pardew ruins players?

I think that he's not helping the situation but it isn't the only factor. Confidence is certainly a big one due to the horrendous form we've had in the last 8/9 months, even new players coming into a team with low confidence are likely to suffer
Poe
18 years ago
2 weeks ago
3,675
Do you honestly believe that Pardew ruins players?


I certainly believe his piss poor man management can't help. Remember Stoke at home when Ben Arfa set 3 goals up and was dropped without explanation for 5 games?

Playing cisse right midfield, sissoko attacking left midfield etc
Shola
16 years ago
6 years ago
2,708
Cisse wide right was logical. Him and Ba up front together just didn't work. He had to either move or drop one. Ba was scoring, Cisse wasn't. Can't remember Sissoko on the left, but even so he is generally more effective on the wing than in the centre.

HBA was presumably dropped because Tiote came back from injury. HBA had been out of the team for weeks before the Stoke game. Newcastle had won 6 from the previous 8 games before the Stoke game without HBA. And Stoke had 9 men and were the much better team when it was equal.
Number 1
17 years ago
1 year ago
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Tiote was banned for Stoke but the return of HBA should've been "Hmmmm... maybe there's a place for him after all". Then again, clearly Pardew didn't think so. But he approached him wrong - it could have been an idea to simply put him in the Cabaye role after YC left for Paris last January, but instead, he changed system to a conventional 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 depending on strikers, which didn't support either him, Marveuax or any attacking instinct Gouffran may have had.

Cisse wide right did not work and had no reason to work. He really just should've been dropped when it was clear that he didn't gel in a 4-4-2 alongside Ba. But in saying this, in 2011-12, when we went on the winning run that almost got us into the Champions League places, we had a front 3 with Cisse flanked by HBA and Ba, and it seemed to work very well. Why Pardew altered from that is a strange one - it made some sense when we began running out of players about a third of the way through 2012-13, but his terrible tactical decision making in the first half of that campaign was as much a a problem as all the injuries.

Sissoko wide left has happened a few times but not as frequently as other misdemeanours. Yanga-Mbiwa in either full back role comes to mind.
Poe
18 years ago
2 weeks ago
3,675
Pardew changed from that because Ba told him he was going to leave and he shit himself.

Then left anyway.
Shola
16 years ago
6 years ago
2,708
Cisse wasn't scoring, Ba was. I think it is that simple.

And it's easy to say in hindsight that Cisse should have been dropped, but I'm fairly sure Cisse played RW when Stoke beat Newcastle at the Brittania, the other attacking options on the bench that day were; Sammy, Ferguson, Marveaux and Ranger.

Be honest if Newcastle were beaten playing a 4-3-3 with Ferguson/Ameobi/Obertan as the winger instead of Cisse, would you accept that the manager got it right in dropping Cisse?
Poe
18 years ago
2 weeks ago
3,675
Cisse stopped scoring when he got put out wide - we finished the season playing 4-3-3 with Demba Ba on the left, and he kicked off over the summer saying he was going to leave.

Then we started against Spurs with Ba in the middle, and Cisse out wide.

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