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WeddyOhWeddyWoo
Lets look at Jose Mourinho for a minute, a variety of nicknames professing his managerial prowess for his achievements with cash rich Chelsea. However, On 17 December 2015, after losing nine out of sixteen league games Jose was unceremoniously fired.
Lets cut to the chase, Arsene Wenger has had to pay for a new stadium, sell his best players, rely on young and unknown players, and still finds consistency for over a decade.
Jose has hundreds of millions to spend, wins a few trophy's and then nearly gets his team relegated - 'the special one'
My Question to you, why are Arsenal and Arsene Wenger so under-rated? What has caused the apparent complacency that people hold when thinking about the achievements of Arsenal? And last of all, what do you like/dislike about Arsenal?
Carroll.
The Platypus
Wenger has been a fantastic manager for Arsenal, but the same as Mourinho, he's also been rightfully criticized for his shortcomings. That's the way it is.
Based Jorge
The Platypus
Based Jorge
bmg033
Grimnir
I imagine teams like Celtic and such have done similar?
WeddyOhWeddyWoo
I think you're both undermining the quality of the Champions League (Which is the elite competition of Europe) while failing to understand that the premier league is an extremely competitive competition, as opposed to the SPL which has generally been dominated by 1 or 2 teams for the past however many years. I think qualifying for the champions league is an amazing acheivment. There's over 20 levels of English football and only the top 4 of the very top tear qualify for it.
Ninja
Arsenal have been one of the four best teams in the league for the past 16 years and have, to no ones real surprise, managed to occupy one of the four slots that guarantees you Champions League football.
I would say its becoming harder, but I don't think thats true either, Liverpool dropped off the face of the earth, and our utter shittness as a footballing side have meant that at no point over the past 2-3 seasons have anymore than 4 sides looked remotely like getting Champions League football. Even this season, until the point where we forgot how to win football matches full-stop the top 4 looks like it would have been remotely settled with Spurs replacing Chelsea (unless people think Leicester will somehow stay there).
Wenger gets credit for what he deserves credit for, but his 'fantastic' work when the new stadium was being built was taking a squad that was the 4th best in the league, with the 4th largest wage budget, to 4th place. He deserves credit for not fucking it up, yeah, but he did the bare minimum. If he'd actually been able to do anything once in the Champions League, even win a few cups, or even win a title, he'd get praise for that too. In reality, he was little more than a safe pair of hands, and rightly doesn't get tonnes of praise for those years.
Based Jorge
Ninja
We're paying Ashley Young over £100k p/w by most accounts, know all about that sort of lunacy.
Shola
Arsenal also didn't have to sell their players to fund the stadium. The board chose to. The board still made sure they got paid.
Based Jorge
bmg033
Just qualifying for something isn't an achievement in any way when you're a club the size of Arsenal, you should be winning it. I know Wenger thinks finishing 4th is as good as winning a trophy but it really isn't. Also its no surprise that one of the top 4 teams in the country, Arsenal, are finishing in the top 4 is it?
WeddyOhWeddyWoo
That's my point. Why are we top 4? I'm inclined to believe that after changing stadiums, selling all our best players, and relying on 19 year olds. The fact that we are a top 4 team only serves to cement the fact that Wenger isn't just a standard manager maintaining a top 4 status quo. The fact that we are still top 4 is an achievement in of itself based off the challenges. And at least we're consistent, unlike Man Utd and Chelsea, who're both doing what Arsenal haven't done for nearly 20 years. Why? Because we have the best manager in the world, ever. Better than Pep Guardiola, Jurgen Klopp and Jose Mourinho combined.
If someone finished in the top 4 of the F1 grid every year for 20 years while the entire field changes around them, I don't think people would say that's just to be expected. Why is it just expected that Arsenal finish top 4? If a team won the league 20 years in a row would that somehow nullify the achievement just because it's been consistently achieved?
gaz12321
Time for a change at Arsenal, Wenger doesn't have the ability to progress the club in the manner it should be progressing, if he wins the league this year it'll be down to other clubs ineptitude more than Arsenal's capability. Wenger is a good manager, nothing more nothing less. Better than Pep, Klopp & Mourinho?? What a load of shit!!
Based Jorge
Carroll.
Im out.
Btw the top four argument is a good argument. Both for and against though. One hand he's done well to keep them there as you can see with the likes of us, United and now Chelsea this year it's not that easy of a job. But on the other hand he should have won some more in the past 10 years, and getting just top 4 isn't good enough.
The Platypus
Oh, god, hahahahaha.
Shola
No just years of institutionally berating and undermining referees.
Based Jorge
Shola
Based Jorge
Shola
By criticising a referees performance and dragging their name through the mud a referees career can suffer. Not getting the big matches, demotion, not going to the World Cup etc. Its beneficial for a referee to take the easy way out. Politicking.
Based Jorge
We get games where refs are slightly bias, we get games when the ref is quite fair; like when Newcastle decided to kick the shit out of us for 90mins after Mitrovic rightly got red carded or completely abject refereeing performances like our loss to Chelsea at Stamford Bridge.
It all goes around, if anything we've had the worst hands dealt in terms of refs managing in big clubs games tbf, even our unbeaten run ended due to a "rare" Wayne Rooney dive. But then again, it was canceled out by Pires diving all over the place against Portsmouth where we got a lucky penalty. Swings & roundabouts mate.
I for one would love it if Wenger ended Mike Dean's refereeing career and he had to resort being a dust bin man for the rest of his miserable life.
Shola
But the referee didn't even consider sending either player off.
bmg033
Best manager ever? What have you been smoking?
gaz12321
Conspiracy Theorist...
My family always make me laugh (Villa fans) every game I go to with them no matter who the ref is they always come out with ''we will get nothing then he hates us', i'm like really? FFS they're just doing their job they get no benefit for showing preference to any side! Just they are humans and can make mistakes or see things from a different perspective, unlike the fans watching they don't have a bias towards either club! Sometimes it's just easy to blame the ref for everything, not the fact your club is shit haha!