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#376552 The Lower League Thread
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Sooner Ciaran Clark returns the better.

Not a sentence I thought I'd be saying in August when he was apparently signed as back-up.
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Worrying that that's the best we've played all season by a mile and we can't even beat a shite Leeds side.

Isaac Hayden genuinely looked good last night. Mitrovic was good as well, he's a much better option than Gayle imo.

But Jesus our defence is an absolute joke. Mental how overrated Lascelles is/was.

Its been a weird season really - seems to be the trend that we have won games where we play badly (unless its against Fulham or Sheffield Wednesday) then fail to win games we dominate. Yesterday is irritating, but its still in our own hands - 2 more wins is all it really needs, although in truth Huddersfield dropping any points from hereon out should be enough.

I do wonder if Lascelles does better when paired with Clark. It may well be he got made captain for being a vocal critic of the more apathetic squad members last year and a half-decent run in the team at the end of last season, but he is very inconsistent. A £20million defender he is not... not sure where that rumour came from anyway.

IMO a Mitrovic-Gayle pairing up top would serve better in this tier than one of the two on their own with Diame or Perez in support - particularly if its Diame, who has not been as good as I thought he would be. Perez gets it in the neck a lot but he's been better of late.
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How the fuck did we not win that?
#375885 2016/17 Barclays Premier League Thread
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I guess I can see why the ref thought it might be a red but it was much more of a yellow.
#375884 The Lower League Thread
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At least promotion can be secured on Friday if Huddersfield lose and ourselves beat Leeds at home, can't we?

That's the case for Brighton if they beat Wolves and Huddersfield lose. For us, I think it would have been the case if we'd drawn yesterday, let alone won, that promotion would be secured on Friday through those mechanics. But I think if we beat both Leeds and Ipswich and Huddersfield lose one of those Easter games, that's promotion booked.
#375842 The Lower League Thread
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Can't really take positives from that tbh. Still 10 clear of Huddersfield at least though.
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Congratulations, you've met Keith Stroud. The man is an absolute idiot. Arrogant and stupid. You're better off having a house brick referee.

For some reason I thought he was PL accredited. Apparently not since 2010. But either way, its bad enough the PGMOL released a statement of apology for fucking up, which is probably the first time a ref has done that in years - I recall a ref doing that when Alan Shearer was denied a certain penalty at Old Trafford in 2004, but few come to mind in English football since. Maybe someone can provide it...

Still, least Ritchie got a goal and the Mags got 3 points closer to the top flight. Lord knows what the fuck would've happened if Stroud had inadvertently gifted Burton a point.
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So... what the fuck happened in the Newcastle-Burton game with Ritchie's penalty?

I can only judge from Twitter but it sounds like some absurd interpretation of the rules. And 3 minutes added time given the referee took 6 to disallow the goal is the shitty cherry on top.
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27 goals in 41 games for Oldham

Says a lot for how shit Gillingham's defence is to have scored twice as many goals and be below Oldham on goal difference.
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So... 10 points clear of third with 7 to play after yesterday. Its going to be a tough & ludicriously busy month first, but the path to getting auto (for me, the minimum goal, although the title would be nice) is becoming much much clearer. Good day.

As for Ben Turner, its not hard to imagine an elongated appeal process also meaning he can play for the Brewers at Newcastle on Wednesday. I recall when the Magpies were deliberating on appealing Jonjo Shelvey's 5 game ban for racist comments earlier in the season, it meant he would've played for the 2 games after his suspension was due to, and actually did, start. Worth noting the 5th game the ban would be if it kicks in before Burton's game at Newcastle is a match with Leeds.

Meanwhile, Rotherham are down... must underline that Neil Warnock knows the 2nd tier very well if he kept that rag-tag mob up last season then without him they sunk big time.
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/incredible-story-newcastle-trying-sign-12813690

A good read on the Scweinsteiger to Newcastle story.


Still can't get my head around what they we're trying to do. Seriously Llambias and Wise flogging a key player to sign punts for almost the same amount of money. Thank God for JFK - might actually one of the most important figures in modern Newcastle....

Yeah the plan, if Wise and Llambias actually had one & weren't just fucking about, does sound slightly demented.

Did we have an official DoF between making Wise go away in 2009 and the interlude where JFK had the gig in 2013/14?
#374134 2016/17 Barclays Premier League Thread
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That is a magnificent miss by Adam Lallana.

Not been watching for long but I gather Man City had a similar moment in the first half.
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I mean... as if flying biplanes over football wasn't bizarre enough, now apparently we have to have cover all angles for fuck's sake.
Isn't McClean technically interfering with play by moving out the way of the ball in an offside position?

Its an unusual one but as McClean was not obstructing anyone, interfering with the ball, and was behind Ospina and Bellerin, I'm not sure he's interfering with play. If Arsenal should be annoyed with anyone its probably Bellerin for clattering into Ospina. And that wasn't even the defensive strategy for WBA's third goal that saw Dawson being marked by 2 of his own teammates.
#373983 The Lower League Thread
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I mean, a 0-0 draw at Birmingham to mean its now 3 without a win is not great, dubiously disallowed goal or not. But at the least we're 7 clear of third.
Half the team was ill. Hefele and Stankovic were both sent home, Hudson and Schindler were also feeling the effects, and it looked like Smith, Billing, Kachunga and Mooy were also really struggling with something. The sheer number of times we seemed to jump under the ball makes me think depth perception was off. The fact we got out-run at times also suggests to me that there was something physically wrong with the team. Bugs happen. Not an excuse, just an explanation. There's several missing from the U23s today as well.

The Hogg thing just topped it off. Bristol newspapers reporting he's out long-term, which pretty much fucks our promotion bid up, so I hope it's just them misinterpreting Wagner's analysis. I'd take a 4-0 hammering any day of the week if it meant we got Hogg back for the run-in. I'd rather have him than the points.

Apologies for the latest ref rant. He was shocking, but not the reason we lost. I'd rather suffer a horror show ref in a game which is gone than in a tight one. He made basic errors and let them get away with a lot, but we weren't competing. Penalty was yet another joke decision but just put some undeserving gloss on the scoreline. Bristol were better than us, far more aggressive, and took their chances, but 4 is harsh.

Oh I see. I wasn't aware of the illness running through the squad. But I can certainly imagine it not helping that half the team is either out or feeling physically weaker than normal even before Hogg.

Hogg has been diagnosed with a fractured neck. Its good to know he's been cleared to leave hospital, but that's a shocking injury and one that, as he's a key Huddersfield player, I can imagine will not help.
#373899 The Lower League Thread
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I do wonder if Huddersfield's rhythm was disrupted last night knowing one of their own players was in such an awful way after such extensive on-pitch treatment. Early reports I've seen look like its not as serious and that Hogg is in a stable condition, which is a good sign, but obviously its still early and full diagnosis is not yet disclosed, so hopefully its not as serious as it looked.

In more conventional sporting matters, I'm aware it opens a door for us to re-establish the gap we were beginning to throw away when we go to Birmingham later. Hopefully we're up for taking it.
#373647 2016/17 Barclays Premier League Thread
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I'm really puzzled by what Middlesbrough were hoping to achieve by seemingly trying to play for a 0-0 every week.

Maybe Karanka is one of those managers better suited to the Championship.
#373646 2016/17 FA Cup
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Speaking of Rojo. How on earth did he walk off that pitch without getting booked?

You can probably ask that question every weekend he doesn't get a yellow to be fair.
#373505 The Lower League Thread
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Yedlin getting injured is of concern, given he seems more consistent at right back than Anita, and Gamez will be rusty from spending most of the campaign out of the firing line.

Whatever happened to Achraaf Lazaar anyway?
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I'm not entirely sure of the "Shelvey's at fault for all 3" line. Did badly to not cut out the pass to Cairney for number one, sure, but there are more players I'd blame for 2 (The obvious one is Dummett, although neither CB wakes up quickly enough after that error) and 3 (the right flank goes completely missing). But in truth the whole team fell to shit on Saturday that its almost meaningless to blame 1 player when none of were really put in a performance worthy of winning the game.

At this point, we kinda know we're set up with a defensive focus for the majority of games, when certain games are more ideal for that (Huddersfield away) than others (Reading away was dull and Fulham was a disaster). I'm aware we lack forward assertion, and certainly its a curious one Daryl Murphy commented he felt the team let Fulham have too much of the ball. Still, we have a few winnable fixtures in a row now. So all's not lost just yet, and with any luck the players will get a suitable kick up the arse as a reward for this disaster.

With the fans, it is what it is. But again, its perspective - Pardew had his good days and bad days, as is everyone before and after. I like Benitez, but we're far too aware this team is not immune to shit games and rarely seem to know how to respond to conceding the opening goal. But at this point with everything so finely balanced in a division that is a lot stronger than it was in 2009-10, is it really worth turning every individual error into an "Oh fuck we're not going up we were shit all along!" moment?

Meanwhile, sacking season seems to have kicked in, with Norwich then followed by Derby sacking McClaren (again) and Wigan sacking Warren Joyce... of those two, I'm not sure either were that good an appointment in the first place. Also surely someone has to get Derby up sometime before the Candy Crush money stops?
#373106 The Lower League Thread
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Seems about right that 7 points from the big 3 away games is followed up by a shit home result and display.
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Sky saying he's interested. Guessing he'll be there for next weekend.

Maybe for him its best to try the 2nd tier after how bad Palace's league form was in 2016, but it'll most probably go the same way - promotion form in half of next season, relegation form in the rest.
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So, at 1pm, Norwich's manager did his press conference the day before their game with Blackburn, and then by 7pm, he's fired.

While they've been crap for most of the time since that game at St. James' Park in September, they seem to have waited too long and then picked a bizarre moment to pull the trigger.
#372910 2016/17 Barclays Premier League Thread
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I thought the Cisse-Evans incident lead to both getting 6 game bans, with Cisse getting an extension for it being another red?
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Not the most exciting game last night. Well played to Reading for having 70% of the ball and doing jack shit with it. And yeah that "13 - Reading Fans" on the back of the match programme was really dumb.

10 games to go, and I'm willing to guess another 5 wins should see us there. So let's bring it on home.
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There's a post-match quote in the Telegraph from Nakhi Wells where he said that he did make some contact with Ritchie after being distracted in appealing the possible Shelvey handball before the incident. My eyesight is shit so took me a while to spot, but there is a little contact from NW on MR. It may well be that the faint touch from Wells was enough to send one of Ritchie's legs into the other, which a few pundits on various outlets have suggested, but its fair both that its a soft award and its conceivable the possible handball could've been penalised first. Both pens were soft, although with the one Shelvey one, my initial thought was "Why be in a position to be penalised in the fucking first place?"

Even accounting for the misconception of hands on the ball, I don't think Ward fully had the ball under control. He seems to try to control what is probably a slippery ball by bringing it into his chest but ends up dragging it against Murphy's standing foot, which leads to the ball pinging off it and away, and it looks like a challenge Murphy is entitled to make. Saying that, as few players challenge the keeper in such a fashion that Murphy did anymore, I was surprised in real time that it wasn't flagged, and I can accept its one I'd be annoyed by. Hefele on the line could've done better, mind.

Its not exactly news the refereeing standard is shit tbf. I thought it was bad in the Prem - and clearly the shenanigans at Man U and Swansea hasn't helped - but fuck me there's been some doozies in the Championship (and lower) this season.
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Several different news sources are saying Alexis Sanchez was dropped for a row with teammates that got physical.

Can't help but think he'll be playing elsewhere next season tbh.
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To be fair, Huddersfield played alright, if a bit long-shot happy. But I guess it played into our plan to hit them on the counter, which we executed very well.

In thinking about it, the issue with our penalty was less the foul by Wells - which I took a few views to spot - and more the possible handball by Shelvey in the build-up. But whatever. Either way the fact we haven't had a penalty since the reverse fixture against the Terriers (I think) means we were due luck like that.

So... 11 clear of 3rd and thanks to Forest mauling Brighton, 5 of 2nd. Path's opened up a bit now.
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Hopefully used up your quota of luck with that Diame goal! That said, you make your own luck with things like that from time to time.

Clearly Lady Luck still hasn't used up the full quota yet. Which for us is a rarity.

It does look like Ritchie trips himself up, although we've had 5/6 more concrete penalties turned down at various points this season. Second does look fair - Ward doesn't get 2 hands firmly on it.
#372356 2016/17 Barclays Premier League Thread
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That is a gloriously appalling bit of refereeing.
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A surprising quantity of people on Twitter seem to think Mings shouldn't have been sent off. I'm not sure - not sure if intent given the obstacle of Rooney, but surely its still dangerous play.
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My presumption is that because the ref spent an age chatting with Zlatan, he's probably not going to be banned in retrospect.