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#349308 2016/17 Barclays Premier League Thread
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Man City have looked pretty off so far.
#349305 The Lower League Thread
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It's Rotherham ffs - should be looking to win big. But we let them in because for large chunks of the game we sit right back passing between defenders until they get caught out or punt it long.

Just play football. We've got miles better players than every team pretty much. We let Villa back in, let Norwich back in, we almost let Rotherham in, same with Derby and Bristol City. I'm concerned that we're so predictable and will wilt under any actual pressure - with the only two sides to press us effectively - Wolves and Huddersfield beating us comfortably

Broadly speaking, I think there's some merits to think the team needs to bully other teams and assert more dominance. I think that's a fair argument we don't dominate teams, as we did at times in 2009/10, but we so far seem to have enough for results. We're broadly similar to the 09/10 team so far in terms of results, with 2 points off. Its a game management thing as much as anything - Villa have had more shots than us this season, but are more likely to fall asleep in defence, hence the late giving away of points to Sheffield Wednesday, Huddersfield, Brentford, and Barnsley. Incidentally, there's a rumour going around they might appoint Steve McClaren if RDM goes... geez.

Derby and Bristol City both did little against us, while Villa wasn't helped by Yedlin being injured and an off-the-pace Tiote having to be thrown in. But its a bit of a weird world we have a defence that, for the most part, has repelled other teams. Sure, there's been luck - like Rotherham hitting the woodwork 3 times yesterday - but no successful team has pulled it off without a degree of luck. We seem to have coped so far with most things, but I do think we should look to be more assertive, and such a test is next as Brentford do look like a team that like playing on the front-foot.
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I do think we can be more assertive, and less Sven-like in going defensive, but I'd be more concerned would be had if we weren't getting results, even if sometimes they're a bit luckier than others (Norwich). Tbf, we do seem to be better at it then traditionally. If we'd tried it in the days of Boumsong, Bramble, and Babayaro, then we'd be fucked . Still, no complacency. Its been broadly speaking a decent few weeks with what is in effect a new team, but the fucking thing's not over yet.

Has Diame actually done anything since joining?
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Nice symmetry. And tbf, it was not going to be an investigation like this without Cellino appearing.

Blimey... looked all over at 3-1, then an injury time comeback to send the Mags 3rd. Didn't see that coming.
#349003 The Lower League Thread
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We seem determined to make it stupidly hard for ourselves. As per usual.
#348883 The England National Team
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This is probably going to be a more in depth in the next few weeks given the article mentions references to current Premier League managers and recent transfers. But this initial revelation looks very bad.
#348755 The Lower League Thread
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Its disappointing but its football. We didn't kill the game when on top despite having plenty of chances to do so, so that was going to be a risk. Sending Matz Sels hate-Tweets to the point where he closes his account is hardly helpful to his confidence though. But clearly Twitter is not a place for sanity.

Still, could be worse. Could be Derby. I slagged them off after seeing they were shit against Newcastle 2 weeks ago, but to lose at home to Blackburn after scoring first with a squad that cost millions to assemble is one hell of an achievement.
#348717 The Lower League Thread
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Well, fail to take your chances and that sort of thing is inevitable.

Not sure what the fuck Sels was doing either.
#348675 2016/17 Barclays Premier League Thread
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Very nice goal from Gray, hopefully makes us cut out any complacency. Not that Leicester seem that bothered

They've had chances tbf - King should've scored and De Gea made a great save. But yeah, this was more or less done when Pogba made it 4-0.
#348656 2016/17 Barclays Premier League Thread
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I left for my lunch at 1-0... what the fuck happened?
#348618 2016/17 Barclays Premier League Thread
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Rooney benched for Man U v Leicester. Be interesting to see how they work with him not around and if he is the problem.
#348333 The Lower League Thread
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Lloyd Jones scores for Swindon in League 1 tonight...yet another season for the guy on loan in the lower leagues. When will Liverpool ever sell or release this guy?!

To be fair, there are a lot of serial loanees out you could say that for from a variety of clubs.

Chalobah coming on for his Chelsea debut in the EFL Cup tonight after 432 different loan spells kinda helps set the tone on that one.
#348332 2016/17 Barclays Premier League Thread
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Rather helpfully, the FA have denied they told Sunderland he couldn't play.
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Typical bloody Newcastle. Not least with Anita getting sent off after a good run.

Clearly more work is needed. Although tbh, given what happened on Tuesday, something felt inevitable about this.
#347493 The Lower League Thread
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Blimey - 6-0 up at QPR, and could well be in double figures. Not bad.
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He did indeed, and a very nice goal it was too. Ivan Toney scored too for Shrewsbury - been doing well for them so far I hear, even if they ultimately lost at Bury.
I can't work Derby out. No idea why they're not firing, because they have all the talents to score just can't seem to do it. I know they've had a tough start - Brighton, Villa, Newcastle, Barnsley as well - but one goal in six is very surprising. That said, they might play Blackburn at a dream time in two week's time, and the fixture list looks a little kinder to them soon.

That said, letting Chris Martin go, hardly playing Darren Bent and bringing in three players who scored all of 8 league goals between them last season to fire them to the top might be an indicator.

Its a puzzling one, that one. I guess ultimately they've made a lot of bad buys since failing to get promoted in 2014, while having associated manager problems (McClaren getting distracted by Newcastle, whatever the fuck happened with Paul Clement, Darren Wassall being out of his depth, and now Pearson). Chris Martin leaving for Vydra is an oddity - flogging a proven scorer, attitude and form question or not, for Vydra, who was awful at Reading last year, seems like a backwards step.

Anya was probably their best player on Saturday (well, him or Olsson), but they looked very anemic on Saturday, like they could've played another 90 minutes on top of the game and still not troubled Sels.
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When Derby had that one chalked off in the opening minutes, and looked fairly assertive early on, it did seem to me that it might be a tough one. But broadly speaking we defended well, although it helped Derby were pretty terrible going forward (not sure Russell, Vydra or Wilson actually did anything). Not the most convincing offensive display, but proved effective enough. Onto the next one.
#347031 2016/17 Barclays Premier League Thread
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Blimey those are two ridiculously soft goals to concede.
#346390 The England National Team
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Completely forgot this game was on. Then I don't really give a fuck about the national team anyway.

I take it from the comments I didn't miss much?

Jammy 95th minute winner and Skrtel trying too hard to get sent off aside, not really.
#346367 The England National Team
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In the absence of anything else I suppose the jammy bastard 95th minute winner method counts.

Could've been worse but must do better in future.
#346356 2016/17 Barclays Premier League Thread
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Mark Halsey's comment on the PGMOL are a bit puzzling - is his implication that they told him to say he hadn't seen controversial events so bans could be done?
#346355 The Lower League Thread
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Always feels a bit weird when the PL/Championship are in international break-induced weekends off, and League One and Two is the main focus. Not least as the likes of Channel 5 & Sky have to pretend they've been paying attention to what goes in those bottom 2 stints.

Been some decent highlights appear though. Even if its weird a bit to have Northampton v MK Dons & Gillingham v Sheffield United for a Super Sunday.
We already had that about five years ago Back then the priority among 'the fans' was shifting Williamson, Taylor, Shola, Jonas, Simpson, Routledge - as long as the replacements were 'more ambitious' - now we're celebrating the signings of lesser players as a pioneering new strategy. I remember people insisting the 'good' players like Sissoko were bad because they were forced to play with lesser players ffs. This compared to much more successful clubs with less resources such as Southampton and Swansea who retained their squads and evolved rather than trying to 'upgrade' immediately.

My problem with Newcastle is that I've felt that arrogance and hubris have been the core problem - I think that the club are continuing on with that rather than actually attempting to find solutions. - Riviere is that point incarnate he had a shite four months - and has been an outcast ever since. - You're criticising him again - but we've bought in Clark, Atsu and Murphy - guys who also couldn't hack the Premier League and had far longer to do so.

See also Gouffran - Benitez spent all summer trying to shift him - until he's forced to play him - and then has to do a 180 because he's better than what he's got.

Tbf (only using a few examples) Ameobi was always limited, if sounded like a good off-field character, Williamson was crap more often than not after 2011-12, Gosling was frequently injured to the point of invisibility, and Routledge - at the point he left in 2011 - had looked like he was not cut out for BPL. Well until Swansea managed it. Each player has reasons that, at the time, might've warranted criticism or justified an exit. Although Perch was an error in removal (I'm not sure people were that critical of him as they were with others - limited, perhaps, but a better squad player than others). Maybe on reflection Simpson was too, but out of contract and wanted first team, so that probably couldn't have been avoided.

I'm aware its hardly a pioneering new strategy. Just something different from a policy that failed. In any case there's a continual expectation shift, as at various points, Carr's view still looked rosy following that then-relatively useful success of 2011-12, but then his powers began gradually waning. I doubt the likes of Southampton, Stoke or Swansea don't sell their team as a stepping stone to younger imports, but it hardly worked out well, even if at the time, it probably seemed like it might work. I don't think we've done that badly anyway, considering demotion makes us a less attractive proposition by default. This downer makes it sound like we bought the Charlton, MK Dons and Bolton squads that found the Championship too much last year.

To some degree, there probably has to be some arrogance to get promotion in this division. Everyone else is presumably gonna see the Mags games an opportunity to win and have their historic upset, so being a bunch of bastards has to be done, and it wasn't in the opening 2 games. But if its in reference to a long-standing thing among fans, there's plenty of clubs whose fans behave like berks with ideas above their station. That and expectations have to shift to any given scenario - in Christmas 2013, with the team in with a shout of top 6, it was right to expect more than a sleepwalking drift to the finish line. It was also right not to expect a similar drift after, albeit from a less firm position that lead to some shit your pants moments.
#346346 Transfer Rumours 2016/17
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That might've worked too.

Henderson is a puzzling one - seems to have really dropped in form of late. Yet he's playing today too.
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It almost doesn't matter last year's squad was better or that the players being signed aren't the same quality - that supposedly higher quality squad got relegated, and those sort of players won't move to a Championship club, while a number of them there aren't going to be persuaded to stay (although the phrase good riddance comes to mind for a few of them). Not least when their agents come along touting the virtues of a return to the league above. But hey, if you're still yearning for the days when Carr was spunking cash on dunces like Riviere or players managers didn't want like Cabella at the expense of building a PL-ready team, then fair play to you too.
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Did anyone sign Jordan Rhodes in the end? Always thought he would end up at Newcastle one day, don't know why.

He'd have been good tbf for this level, regardless of how much Karanka seems to be pouting about the fact he wanted McCormack instead. But nope he's still at Middlesbrough.
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Yeah - I mean, its all well and good saying we're buying lower quality players, but that supposedly "higher quality" squad got relegated, a fair few of them weren't going to stay, and we're also in a lower quality league. Besides, if we go back up, we'll presumably readjust accordingly.
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Apparently a deal was agreed between Newcastle and Lorient for Tiote, and he wouldn't return their calls.

Seems to be a theme.
Feel sorry for Sissoko, he's never cared about playing football for Newcastle, but neither did Debuchy, Remy, Cabaye, Wijnaldum or Ben Arfa and they got zero shit for it.

Its very hard to feel sorry for Sissoko. After years of acting like a whiny little bitch, he's got his reward and gets to make up shit that he actually regularly tried in black & white in his "Welcome to Spurs" interviews, while pretending he never said Arsenal were the club of his heart.

Maybe its naivety, but I swear if you wanted a move to a top team once upon a time, you had to play on a regular basis like one worthy of the top teams. Least Cabaye did a bit in 2013 before PSG turned up and JFK accepted a ludicrously low fee. Given HBA seemed genuinely annoyed not to be playing when Pardew made him his scapegoat, I'm not sure why that's mentioned, although I don't think Remy is that well liked among NUFC fans given how much of a bellend he acted both when joining QPR, and when he allegedly got out of games to preserve himself for a World Cup squad spot that never came.

It could well be a perception trick - spend long enough publicly selling yourself and boasting how poor little you isn't in the UCL, and sooner or later, people might think of you as a bit of a dick. It may not help the club was sold for 2-3 years as a stepping stone, but even so, not everyone has to behave as whiny and going all "Oh woe is me, why am I not an Arsenal player?", or at least to this utterly ludicrous extent.
#345500 Transfer Rumours 2016/17
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I thought meeting Palace's similar price for Bolaise was mad...
#345384 The Night Thread Mk. IX
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It's basically an annual thing now, at least they had the 'courtesy' to warn us about it this time round.

Though there is also our local custom of sending hell notes to our ancestors (literally setting paper on fire) which while is nowhere near as bad as setting forests on fire, doesn't put us in a good light either.

Aw isn't that's nice of them to send courtesy they're about to commit a big ecological catastrophe?

In terms of scale that forest burning is substantially worse. Though the other thing is a curious pasttime, that. If they have to burn something at least its relatively small scale.
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And how's this for a proper complaint about the weather - Indonesia setting fire to its own forests and polluting the air for the rest of the region.

I'm pretty sure its not the first time they've done this. But regardless its fucked up. Also doesn't help my current theory its too late to stop climate change destroying the world if someone's going to do stupid shit like this.