Ched Evans - Real World Football - FM24/25 Update

Jason

18 years ago

2 days ago

4,641

06 Jan 2015 19:55:22

Following on from the debate in the transfer rumours thread..

Should he be allowed to continue playing football? Oldham are currently in talks with him but there is a lot of pressure growing on them.

Not entirely sure he did commit rape either tbh.

oJMPx

11 years ago

9 hours ago

382

Premium

06 Jan 2015 20:38:51

Done his time, let him get on with his life

Poe

18 years ago

1 week ago

3,675

06 Jan 2015 21:49:28

I agree, however I also agree with everybody petitioning against their clubs signing him.

I also don't think he done it.

Fuck logic.

Carroll.

15 years ago

4 years ago

3,361

06 Jan 2015 22:06:55

Go home Poe, you're drunk

Ninja

15 years ago

7 years ago

5,341

06 Jan 2015 22:23:24

He's probably summed up how a large portion of people feel though, to be fair.

Poe

18 years ago

1 week ago

3,675

06 Jan 2015 22:48:02

Man of the people, Ninja.

Shola

16 years ago

6 years ago

2,708

06 Jan 2015 22:54:13

Wouldn't like to see him banned by the FA. But would like clubs do stay clear of him anyway. At the very least he's not going to have the career he should have had. Which is the very smallest of victories unfortunately.

Also think non Sheffield Utd/Oldham fans signing petitions is wrong.

Number 1

16 years ago

1 year ago

3,650

07 Jan 2015 00:28:29

I don't know if he did or didn't do it, and I don't think its my place to comment on that. My own view is that it should be up to clubs themselves if they wanna take a risk with the PR war that would inevitably follow signing him, and that fans and sponsors should be allowed to say so if they want to associate him with their club.

As I said in the other thread, I do wish the people who support him would stop revealing the victim's new identity, electronically hounding them, and encouraging others who support Evans' case to do so. Its nauseating behaviour, and its even more of a pisstake that he won't publicly recognise the fact this shit is happening.

Jason

18 years ago

2 days ago

4,641

07 Jan 2015 00:43:18

Just think, from what I've seen and read about the case, there are parts of it that do and don't make any sense. It seems he was found guilty mainly based on the exiting the hotel via a fire-door, that probably didn't help him at all.

But then why would you book a hotel in you and your friends name, if you were gonna commit rape.

bmg033

10 years ago

10 hours ago

2,268

07 Jan 2015 13:47:17

Evans to Oldham is expected to be announced on Thursday or Friday.

Gendo

13 years ago

1 year ago

1,194

07 Jan 2015 16:16:38

This reminds me much like Michael Vick in the NFL, in that he served his time for running that dog fighting ring (it was roughly two years as well), and he's been back in the league ever since.

Why not give Ched Evans another crack on the pitch if he can still play.

terriersmad

17 years ago

4 years ago

744

07 Jan 2015 19:18:50

He was tried before a jury of his peers and found guilty. An application for appeal also found that the conviction was safe. Having read that judgement, I strongly suspect this latest appeal will not succeed. He MUST be treated as a guilty man unless and until a court rules his conviction to be unsafe, because that is what he is. Any club should bear that in mind before taking him on, especially given that he's shown no remorse or regret, and he and his supporters have conducted themselves in a thoroughly unpalatable manner.

Rehabilitation is, of course, a key consideration. Being given a second chance is a big part of that. But rehabilitation should start with him admitting he has done wrong and issuing an unreserved apology (with the current caveat obviously being that he's protesting his innocence, so it's hardly something he can do with an appeal pending). Until he does that and asks forgiveness, he can't be rehabilitated and should not be given a second chance. He certainly shouldn't be given a second chance in football at this stage, given how high-profile it is.

My personal feeling is that miscarriages of justice happen. But I don't think this is one of them. I think a very arrogant, very stupid young man made a very big mistake. With the caveat that all rapes are exceptionally serious offences, I think this is one of the 'less serious' rapes that will pass through the justice system, but it's one that's ruined a girl's life (perhaps less as a result of what happened to her that night than the later actions of Ched Evans' supporters, who have forced her to change identity and move house several times). Evans has never shown remorse, and deserves his status as a pariah.

NiceLad

18 years ago

4 days ago

18,785

07 Jan 2015 20:16:25

terriersmad sums it absolutely perfectly for me. He's a scum bag and his fiancées family are just as bad, he openly admitted to cheating on his fiancée and they've stood by him like nothing has happened. Oldham are stupid for taking him on, they'll lose ticket sales and sponsorship, altho apparently his fiancée's family are going to cover any lose of sponsorship money, it's disgusting.

Anybody who is on the Sex offenders register should be banned from football, its about time the FA wrote up some rules of conduct to include bans on footballers with serious convictions against there name

NiceLad

18 years ago

4 days ago

18,785

07 Jan 2015 20:22:46

Also that website set up by I assume the Massey' is now being investigated by the attorney general, so I wouldn't believe most of the things on it. Whoever has been advising Ched has done a terrible job. He could come out on license apologised for his actions shown remorse and had alot less aggro thrown at him

Carroll.

15 years ago

4 years ago

3,361

07 Jan 2015 21:34:21

I'm not saying he didn't do it but from what I read it seems like an absolute shit decision to send him to jail. Sets some precedent, any girl can just claim she got raped

Shola

16 years ago

6 years ago

2,708

07 Jan 2015 21:47:06

I sometimes feel that Ched Evans is a bit unlucky. That the prosecution were desperate to nail him, to make an example out of them.

Then you read comments like that, and you can fucking see why.

Carroll.

15 years ago

4 years ago

3,361

07 Jan 2015 21:59:33

It was a shit decision? He hardly forced himself on her, she was also not too intoxicated when with McDonald?

Ninja

15 years ago

7 years ago

5,341

07 Jan 2015 22:25:39

By Carroll. | On 07 January 2015 - 21:59 PM

It was a shit decision? He hardly forced himself on her, she was also not too intoxicated when with McDonald?

I suspect if you can't explain why McDonald got away with it when Evans you don't know enough about the case to be that opinionated on it.

Not saying that it was a correct or incorrect decision, its just that it takes literally 5 minutes to find out why McDonald wasn't convicted.

Carroll.

15 years ago

4 years ago

3,361

07 Jan 2015 22:49:32

By Ninja | On 07 January 2015 - 22:25 PM

I suspect if you can't explain why McDonald got away with it when Evans you don't know enough about the case to be that opinionated on it.

Not saying that it was a correct or incorrect decision, its just that it takes literally 5 minutes to find out why McDonald wasn't convicted.

Cause she agreed to get in the taxi?

Jason

18 years ago

2 days ago

4,641

07 Jan 2015 22:58:58

And walked into the hotel, on CCTV perfectly, and even goes back out as she forgets something in said taxi, now if you were drunk its not something you'd care or think about.

https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2015/01/07/ched-evans-not-the-account-youre-being-given-by-the-mainstream-media/

Very good article there. Good read. Could change opinions.

Sam

18 years ago

2 years ago

5,092

08 Jan 2015 07:40:27

terriersmad summed it up very well.

I don't think Ched Evans knows what rape is, he doesn't seem to understand what he has done. Obviously he's not going to apologise at the moment because he's in the middle of an appeal, but he's shown no remorse for what he's done. A jury found him guilty without any doubt, they know more than the rest of us.

Oldham are making a big mistake.

Jason

18 years ago

2 days ago

4,641

08 Jan 2015 07:45:37

Judge Merfyn Hughes allowed for the alleged victim being pissed, but somehow this just isn’t on for the two blokes. How does the judge know that the men hadn’t gradually lost their inhibitions during a day of steady alcohol consumption? Why is a woman devoid of inhibition allowed to shout rape, but guys in the same condition are supposed to keep a clear head and take 200% of the responsibility for good behaviour?

That bit summed it up for me.

El-chambo

14 years ago

1 year ago

73

08 Jan 2015 09:24:45

For me it is not about if Ched Evans did or did not rape the girl as in court he was found guilty and has served 2 and half years.

My problem is the media hype as in 2008 Luke McCormick the then Plymouth goalkeeper causing death by dangerous driving and driving with excess alcohol killed two brothers and served 4 years.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7654430.stm

In 2012 on his release he signed for Truro then by 2013 Oxford Utd and is now back at Plymouth.

I myself can not remember any public outcry for Luke McCormick to not be allowed to return to football and his case was clear cut unlike Ched Evans who has always protested his innocents.

Now I am not against Luke McCormick returning to football as he served the time he was told to do but 4 years for killing to brother where Ched Evans got 2 and half years for rape.

Are we now at a point that rape should carry a harder sentence and more of a media backlash than murder even if it was by accident or stupidity.

K3V0

16 years ago

1 year ago

5,966

08 Jan 2015 10:25:15

By terriersmad | On 07 January 2015 - 19:18 PM

He was tried before a jury of his peers and found guilty. An application for appeal also found that the conviction was safe. Having read that judgement, I strongly suspect this latest appeal will not succeed. He MUST be treated as a guilty man unless and until a court rules his conviction to be unsafe, because that is what he is. Any club should bear that in mind before taking him on, especially given that he's shown no remorse or regret, and he and his supporters have conducted themselves in a thoroughly unpalatable manner.

Rehabilitation is, of course, a key consideration. Being given a second chance is a big part of that. But rehabilitation should start with him admitting he has done wrong and issuing an unreserved apology (with the current caveat obviously being that he's protesting his innocence, so it's hardly something he can do with an appeal pending). Until he does that and asks forgiveness, he can't be rehabilitated and should not be given a second chance. He certainly shouldn't be given a second chance in football at this stage, given how high-profile it is.

My personal feeling is that miscarriages of justice happen. But I don't think this is one of them. I think a very arrogant, very stupid young man made a very big mistake. With the caveat that all rapes are exceptionally serious offences, I think this is one of the 'less serious' rapes that will pass through the justice system, but it's one that's ruined a girl's life (perhaps less as a result of what happened to her that night than the later actions of Ched Evans' supporters, who have forced her to change identity and move house several times). Evans has never shown remorse, and deserves his status as a pariah.

I agree with this 100%. He shouldn't play football again until this appeal is done and dusted.

Sam

18 years ago

2 years ago

5,092

08 Jan 2015 11:13:38

Sky say the Oldham move is off.

Carroll.

15 years ago

4 years ago

3,361

08 Jan 2015 11:31:28

If he doesn't agree with the verdict, why should he apologise? That would be basically admitting to it.

Slashman X

18 years ago

11 months ago

6,000

Premium

08 Jan 2015 12:09:37

If he's going to apologise it should purely just be "I'm sorry about the witch hunt that followed"

Carroll.

15 years ago

4 years ago

3,361

08 Jan 2015 13:03:47

As in the website etc? Not really his fault is it, although apologising for it would probably gain him some credit

Carroll.

15 years ago

4 years ago

3,361

08 Jan 2015 13:25:56

Oldham board members and sponsors getting death threats

Slashman X

18 years ago

11 months ago

6,000

Premium

08 Jan 2015 13:50:20

http://www.thepfa.com/news/2015/1/8/pfa-statement-ched-evans

He did exactly what I said: Apologised for the after effects of the incident on the woman, including the Twitter hatemob directed her way

"I am grateful for the support of the PFA in helping me try to return to football and continue my career. Upon legal advice, I was told not to discuss the events in question. This silence has been misinterpreted as arrogance and I would like to state that this could not be further from the truth.
I do remain limited at present by what I can say due to the ongoing referral to the Criminal Cases Review Commission and whilst I continue to maintain my innocence, I wish to make it clear that I wholeheartedly apologise for the effects that night in Rhyl has had on many people, not least the woman concerned. Finally, it has been claimed that those using social media in an abusive and vindictive way towards this woman are supporters of mine. I wish to make it clear that these people are not my supporters and I condemn their actions entirely and will continue to do so."

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