Poe
18 years ago
2 weeks ago
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It's a really odd one, by this point McClaren is basically a proven failure.


Apparently he's a good friend of Graham Carr.

Unsure why that should matter, though
VP.
14 years ago
3 months ago
25,271
Would it help if we gave you Debuchy back?
Tommo.
13 years ago
6 months ago
2,272
Im baffled as to how Dean missed the initial incident, what the hell was he looking at?


Was at the game if I remember right he had his back too it. I was pretty surprised he missed it and even said to my mate Costa was lucky he didn't see it
Based Jorge
11 years ago
4 years ago
1,399
That's cause Dean is a fucking massive bellend and has been a shite ref for years.

My mum has hated him for ages, he's always wanted to be the centre of attention and I'm surprised whenever he has to get the vanishing spray out he doesn't re-holster it like a cowboy would in a spaghetti Western the shitcunt.
Number 1
17 years ago
1 year ago
3,650
Would it help if we gave you Debuchy back?

Maybe - could push Janmaat into a winger role given he seems substantially better going forward than he does defending.
Ninja
15 years ago
7 years ago
5,341
Out of interest, what do Newcastle fans on here want from your club? It's clear that you think you should be substantially better than this current team is, but under Pardew when you were a mid-table club with the occasional finish too most complained bitterly about that too. So presumably you expect what? Regular European football? Top half finishes and the odd cup run?
Number 1
17 years ago
1 year ago
3,650
Getting regular European football is unlikely unless we get bought by a trillionaire or unless we change our investment plan. My simple wish is to be excited about being a Newcastle United FC supporter, and when we've only won 4 competitive games in 2015 (one against a West Ham side that had given up, and one against League Two Northampton), its hard to be so. In terms of league finishes, top 10 is the desired effect, but that seems to be the case for a lot of the league. Actually trying would be a start - so many players look like they don't, or they just surrender when the opening goal goes in.

With Pardew, I could take a midtable finish in 2012/13, but a relegation battle, poor tactics and a poor transfer policy were a major backward step. Then in 13/14, we were appalling after Cabaye left, and it seemed as though everyone involved lack interest in doing anything after mid-January. The fact the team didn't try for a lot of that period and those who remained carried it over to the first two months of last season were appalling. At first it seemed like the default "Manager sucks" routine, but it seems with certain players (Sissoko) to be deep-seeded, and makes me wonder if we should've sold them.

I dunno. We bought 4 good players in the summer for the first team but we could've used another 2/3, particularly in defence and attack.
K3V0
16 years ago
1 year ago
5,966
That's cause Dean is a fucking massive bellend and has been a shite ref for years.

My mum has hated him for ages, he's always wanted to be the centre of attention and I'm surprised whenever he has to get the vanishing spray out he doesn't re-holster it like a cowboy would in a spaghetti Western the shitcunt.


Shola
16 years ago
6 years ago
2,708
Roeder finished top 10 with newcastle every season too except the one where he didn't too?

What a strange thing to say


Because basically 3.5 seasons is a better indicator than 1. A 75% success ratio is better than 0%

And Pardew at least had the mitigating factors of Cisse off form, Ba leaving, Cabaye going in a sulk, Taylor breaking himself, HBA missing most of the season. Most of which was out of his control.

Yeah its very weirdly phrased. And not least given Pardew finished 12th in his first half-season as well as the 16th in 2012/13, and we were lucky to get top 10 in 2013/14 - were it not for Cabaye and Remy we would have been significantly lower.

I don't think Pardew is as good as he thinks he is, but long before the end at NUFC, he looked like he wanted to move. That's fine - sometimes, its time for things to reach a point of ending. But we waited six months to replace him with a Derby County reject on Carr's personal argument, and everything has fallen to shit in the meantime. Early days, yeah, but not promising so far.

I'm also getting it in the neck from a Watford fan I know after Lee Ryder called Watford "pygmies in a land of giants" in an op-ed piece earlier this week. I mean, Christ on a bike.


Why was he lucky? Over the course of the season Newcastle were the tenth best side, no luck whatsoever.
Shola
16 years ago
6 years ago
2,708
Would it help if we gave you Debuchy back?


We're not that bad ffs.

Out of interest, what do Newcastle fans on here want from your club? It's clear that you think you should be substantially better than this current team is, but under Pardew when you were a mid-table club with the occasional finish too most complained bitterly about that too. So presumably you expect what? Regular European football? Top half finishes and the odd cup run?


Basically what we don't have. In Pardew's last full season, we went out the cups early but spent most of the season in the top 8, before a late collapse. People became obsessed with the cups, and how Newcastle were killing football, and how football should be about trophies and not cash etc. It ignored that Newcastle were knocked out the cups by two PL sides, Man City (the eventual winners) who we took to extra time in the League Cup. And Cardiff in the FA Cup, we were shite that day, but Pardew went to win, no doubt about it.

Where as the season we finished 16th, the very enjoyable run to the QF of the Europa gets completely whitewashed from history. As does the run to the QF of the Carling Cup last year. Because cup runs are shite when you're getting beat every week.

Ultimately the reason Pardew was so hated. Was merely he stuck around. Allardyce, Hughton, Souness, Roeder, Robson, Keegan, Gullit and Dalglish all went pretty much as soon as things have went wrong. I think Pardew is the only manager who I've ever seen allowed to steady the ship after a bad run.

A large number of fans just started blindly slating him, insisting his football was defensive or hoofball regardless of what was happening, always lucky when he won, always at fault for defeat. Insisting he doesn't have the balls to drop players, or that he's got favourites for when the 'star' players do get dropped.
Carroll.
15 years ago
4 years ago
3,361
Just rewatched Gabriels red and Chelsea are smart bastards. As soon as Gabriel gets the red, he goes looking for Costa, their whole team steps in to block his path
Eric Portapotty
15 years ago
1 month ago
3,324
Premium
We definitely lack 'gamesmanship' and street smartness, far too naive - literally too nice.
Number 1
17 years ago
1 year ago
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Why was he lucky? Over the course of the season Newcastle were the tenth best side, no luck whatsoever.

2013/14 entirely rested on a hot streak in November/December, fuelled by Cabaye playing well (or playing for a move) and Remy's goals. We were inconsistent before then and largely appalling afterwards. A few results differently in those two months would've given that campaign a less rosy picture.
bmg033
10 years ago
1 week ago
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Poe
18 years ago
2 weeks ago
3,675
When the wheels fall off Palace you'll see how bad Pardew was.

Just as happened at West Ham and Charlton before it happened to us.
Poe
18 years ago
2 weeks ago
3,675
Souness also finished top 10 every season except the ones he didn't too.

As did Shearer and Joe Kinnear.

And Ruud Gullit.
Shola
16 years ago
6 years ago
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This is true, However Pardew has the distinction of actually achieving a top ten finish in a full season, unlike every other manager since Bobby Robson. And I personally feel 3/4 is a good ratio. Not as good as Robson's 3/3 or Keegan's 4/4 but still good. Before Keegan it was Willie McFaul who finished 8th in 87/89, relegated the next year, Before than it was 76/77 with a 5th place finish. (Relegated the next season)

So yeah, Pardew achieved more top finishes than Newcastle did over a twenty year period.

And aye Pardew will get fund out the first 9 months are notoriously easy, just ask McClaren.
Sam
18 years ago
2 years ago
5,092
Southampton: Stekelenburg, Yoshida, Fonte, van Dijk, Targett, Wanyama, Romeu, Ward-Prowse, Tadić, Mané, Pellè.
Subs: Davis, Cédric, Long, S. Davis, Rodriguez, Martina, Juanmi.

United: De Gea, Darmian, Smalling, Rojo, Blind, Carrick, Schneiderlin, Mata, Memphis, Rooney, Martial.
Subs: Romero, McNair, Valencia, Herrera, Schweinsteiger, Young, Fellaini.
VP.
14 years ago
3 months ago
25,271
Just heard Chris Smalling talk
Sam
18 years ago
2 years ago
5,092
Fully deserved lead.

We've been so poor.

EDIT: Such a shame as that save from De Gea was brilliant.
Ninja
15 years ago
7 years ago
5,341
Rooney might as well not be playing.

Again.
Sam
18 years ago
2 years ago
5,092
Fucking hell Rooney. That pass. Jesus.
Sam
18 years ago
2 years ago
5,092
Ninja
15 years ago
7 years ago
5,341
Yeah, Martial's quality.
Based Jorge
11 years ago
4 years ago
1,399
Was it a good goal? If it was he's better than our strikers already.
Ninja
15 years ago
7 years ago
5,341
I'd say composed rather than 'good'. Picked the ball up after Mata was tackled floored their centre back with a Cruyff turn and poked it in to the far corner.
Sam
18 years ago
2 years ago
5,092
Very good composure. He doesn't seem fazed by the pressure so far.
Based Jorge
11 years ago
4 years ago
1,399
I'd say composed rather than 'good'. Picked the ball up after Mata was tackled floored their centre back with a Cruyff turn and poked it in to the far corner.


Yep, better than our strikers.
Sam
18 years ago
2 years ago
5,092
Mata better down the middle than Rooney. Wow, who'd have thought it?!
SpinSwimScream
14 years ago
1 month ago
1,598
Yeah Rooney having another shocker to the surprise of absolutely no-one.

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