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Slashman X
Phoenix Arrow
Jason
You wouldn't be far wrong. I know a guy who worked for PC World, he got me into the call center at Know How, which wasn't called Know How then, it was actually a company that PC World/Currys hired to handle all there calls, Capita International, which was then sold onto DSGI before PC World/Currys bought it back. Been there through it all, in todays world, its now what you know, its who you know. Sad but true.
GCSE/A-Level/Degree's however good they are, don't guarantee you a job.
I'm 23.
Slashman X
And your advice is not to take a part-time job because there's loads of full-time jobs out there.
Vercoe
Shit man, you need to pull your finger out and finish school
Jason
No, but after travel costs to/from work, you'll not be picking £56 per week, well at least i wouldn't, you'd be even worse off if you drive, infact you couldn't manage to run a car on £56 per week.
I'm sorry that my welfare/living is more important, this is how £56 would do me per week, i pay £390 per month in rent, i also pay £60-£80 a month in Gas/Electric (this is all without food remember.), if i was to work 64 hours a month for only, £225 per month, my bus fair to get to the job, would cost me £11 per week, that's already £44 taken out of my monthly wage, leaving me with £180, where would i live? Even being on JSA is wouldn't be very good, but I'd be saving £44 a month, on travel costs.
I know there is housing benefits etc, but if you work 16 hours your benefit is greatly reduced to what it'd be if you worked 0 hours.
Hence my reasoning, working part time for 16 hours a week, would be more unbeneficial than not working and still getting the same amount.
Slashman X
Unless of course he walks to work
Jason
Yeah which is fine, if its only 10minutes down the road. That's the easiest thing you could put, doesn't answer my point though. What if walking to work isn't an option? Not everbody can actually walk to work, and you can't say "if it was an hours bus journey, he wouldn't take it" its a fact that if your on JSA you have to be willing to travel for up to 90 minutes to work. If they find that you have declined a job because you don't want to travel up to 90 minutes, your money is stopped.
Flash.
If you're on JSA earning 56 quid a week you're not going to live in an apartment costing 470 quid a month after bills are you?
Working Part-Time would give you experience, experience which would be helpful in finding a full time job. Who do you think I would rather hire, someone who has been on JSA for 2 months, or someone who has been working? If you proved yourself working part time then there's more chance you would be offered more hours/a full time role.
Jason
So your saying, if your on JSA you can't live on your own? I pay £390 in rent, for a 2 bedroom, now that's fairly cheap as most peak at £450-£500 for a 2 bed.. 2million people claim JSA because there aren't enough jobs out there for people, Im sure a lot of them live on there own, struggling to make ends meet, thats how it is in the UK.
I know of plenty of foreign persons that have come to the UK from whatever country and got a job almost instantly, without experience, that's the UK for you again, that's where the problem lies, there are thousands upon thousands of people that are genuinely seeking work, like the OP, but they are realistic, whats the point? Working 16 hours per week, getting £56 a week, when you could be doing the same as people that are not even bothered about finding a job, and still getting that £56.
Flash.
The reason foreigners get work is because they'll apply everywhere and do anything. Brits won't do the shit jobs foreigners do and think they're better than McDonalds, Cleaning etc. Employers don't purposely hire foreigners over Brits btw.
And no, if you don't have a job of course you shouldn't be living in a 2 bedroom apartment costing 470 a month. You live within your means. If you can't afford it you go somewhere where you can afford it. That's common sense.
And for everyone that keeps saying there are no jobs in the UK. Fuck off. There's hundreds of thousands of jobs. Just google 'jobs' and you'll see tonnes of job sites with thousands of jobs. A hell of a lot of people are on JSA because they're lazy, not because they can't get a job.
Because it's about progression. Working will get you experience, which in turn will give you the chance to get better jobs. People just expect to fall into a brilliant job without working for it.
Jan.
Jason
Show me a place where you can live for £56 per week, please. Then i will rest my case.
I wholeheartedly, fully 1000000% agree with you on this, however there are another half of them people that actually do want a job but genuinely cannot find one, and i know that, because my friend is in the same boat, hes got all his degrees, awards etc in care work, but cannot find a job in that sector.
Slashman X
At home, with his parents. I actually pay €225 a month in rent, which is less than £56 per week \o/
Slashman X
And now you're telling this guy, who genuinely wants a job, to just stay on JSA cos there's no point
Mr Willy
1) My part-time job is 10 minutes down the road. It's mostly operating a till, but retail experience helps me find a job elsewhere in retail, though on a full-time basis and with better pay. This is indisputable, really.
2) I live with my parents. I contribute about a third of my weekly income (be it wages or reduced JSA) for general house-keeping, which is fair.
3) I'd far rather be spending 16 hours a week out and about, working, doing hours, improving my CV and chances to get a job than sitting about all the time, doing fuck all, sat behind a laptop, uploading the same CV and generic cover letter again and again. Life's too short for that.
4) I'm on a Youth Contract, so I go down to the Jobcentre once a week to discuss job options and my long-term plans. I'm looking for something to keep me going until September - when I go to uni - and nothing particularly long-term, as in a career.
5) Sweeping generalisations like "all on JSA are lazy who can't be arsed to get a job" aren't particularly helpful. The Jobcentre help you get a job, rather than offer handouts to those who want to play Xbox, drink and wank their life away.
6) Surely, as taxpayers, you'd all rather my income be coming from a private limited company rather than the Department for Work and Pensions. This is obviously very understandable, and if I paid taxes, I'd rather people be in employment, even part-time, if this is immediately available.
7) 'One-size-fits-all' approaches to employment issues generally don't work. Jay's suggestion for what I should do doesn't work for me, but you never know, maybe it does for someone... doubtful, but okay.
KEZ_7
This. My local McDonald's seems to always have an 'Employees Wanted' sign in the window yet a lot of teens around that way complain about the lack of opportunity and are unemployed, one of the reasons is certainly the above
I can relate to that, a lot of my mates have actually turned down jobs on around £13-17k p/y because they don't see it as enough? I earn around that now and for all it's not a life of luxury I get by. People are dillusional to think they're going to walk in a £30k job with barely and life/work or whatever else experience behind them and believe me I've told them that a few times!
Mr Willy I totally agree with a lot of your last post, particularly I'd rather people earned their money from companies etc rather than JSA. As you say it is a 'sweeping generalisation' that a lot of people are lazy and don't bother, there are many people who will do any form of job just to be in employment and they're the ones who are essentially punished by being tarnished with that brush. On the other side it's now 3 years since I left full-time education, 5 if you go back to leaving senior school and I've been in some form of employment since that date. I still have a lot of friends or people from that same year group who are yet to work a day in their life and are almost proud of it.
Mr Willy
To expand on what I said before about 'one-size-fits-all', something that really bothers me is that when some say that people on JSA should be compelled to do vocational training or work (construction, hairdressing/beauty, public services, apprenticeships, trades etc), because people on JSA are typically 'working class' or suited to that type of work. It's basically saying that those who where more academic at school never need Jobseekers, or that they don't bother signing-on because they're perhaps more middle class and have a safety blanket. I'm not from a well-off background, but learning about plumbing or brick-laying would feel like... a waste of time, pretty much. Like I said, I'm only looking for something before I go to uni anyway.
Phoenix Arrow
Jason
The circumstances are different for different people, though. I have a job, if i was to lose the job for any reason, i don't know what the hell i would do, JSA wouldn't cover me, nor would a part time job. If you live with parents, its very easy to live off £56. I think the amount of JSA you receive should be down to individual circumstances and not a one size fits all, because it just doesn't.
Shola
Carroll.
I started there about 2 weeks ago, don't really care how shit the job is, it's good to have some money coming in to save up at this age.
Vercoe