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Carroll.
Telegram Sam
How are you defining deliberate?
If a player raises his hands to protect his face, he's deliberately raising his arms, even if he isn't deliberately meaning to touch the ball.
Jamieandhisego
Slashman X
Didn't it happen in Italy a few months ago? Some Napoli player got his own goal ruled out iirc
EDIT: It was Klose for Lazio, jersey colours are similar
Ninja
I don't think that's mentioned in the interpretations so it depends from person to person.
I've definitely seen one source saying that should be considered not deliberate, but I think it opens up too many cans of worms e.g. Suarez handball off the line against Ghana, I don't think that was a voluntary movement, but it was also clearly deliberate handball. The movement to the hand towards the ball would be enough to classify it as deliberate.
rossiheslopi
Deano
Jamieandhisego
VP.
Jamieandhisego
rossiheslopi
VP.
Where would i find those?
I don't read articles unless they are by someone that has had at least some kind of experience within the game itself, otherwise to me they just making shit up that they know little about or even understand.
And most of the stuff people say on here is vastly influenced through the kind of crap that they read elsewhere, not because they genuinely understand or know much about the game itself. Nowadays its too easy for someone to simply go to Wiki (as an example) and all of a sudden look like an expert on what the subject may be. Personally i'd rather be wrong or simply not reply to something than have to look it up first, sadly so many people do the latter.
Ninja
Because that's the laws of the game.
If he deliberately handled the ball it should have been disallowed. If he didn't, even if he gained an advantage from the ball touching his hand, there is absolutely nothing in the laws that could possibly mean that a goal could be disallowed.
It's super simple stuff.
Deano
Telegram Sam
That's such a retarded view to take. There's ex-players like Alan Shearer who can barely string two words together whilst there's plenty of fantastic football writers who spend their life writing about the game and write excellent pieces. That's such a narrow-minded stance to take. You don't have to have played/managed in the game in order to form an articulated and informed opinion on aspects of it.
Telegram Sam
Jamieandhisego
Yeah, that's why I found his shutdown response so bemusing.
Hibee
Klose scored, turned to celebrate and then the ref asked if it was a handball. If the ref hadn't asked I daresay he'd have been happy enough to claim the goal.
jumberto
Shola
People seem to be obsessed with certain pundits though. Redknapp etc. probably don't even write their articles.
Poe
Jamieandhisego
He gets me.
Poe
I don't think many players would admit handball, tbh.
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Jamieandhisego
K3V0
jumberto
terriersmad
As it's Suarez, everyone's making a big fuss of it. If this was his only offence, no one would bat an eyelid. It's probably not deliberate, but he does get a massive advantage from inadvertent use of his hand, so I'd personally disallow it for handball. But with his previous record, people have got all worked up over it, when they probably shouldn't have. It's an injustice on Mansfield, but it's not the big story it's being made out to be.