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By K3VO | Permalink | On 05 July 2013 - 21:45 PM
Not for long with Ronaldo coming back.

He isn't and he won't.
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By Telegram Sam | Permalink | On 06 July 2013 - 06:45 AM
He isn't and he won't.


I know.

Fuck you.
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Even if he came back this summer, they'd still have a better team overall. United still have a gaping hole in central midfield (even with Thiago coming in).
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By bluemoon. | Permalink | On 05 July 2013 - 21:51 PM
Even if he came back this summer, they'd still have a better team overall. United still have a gaping hole in central midfield (even with Thiago coming in).

Carrick and Thiago with Kagawa just in front of them would be pretty deadly.
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By bluemoon. | Permalink | On 05 July 2013 - 21:51 PM
Even if he came back this summer, they'd still have a better team overall. United still have a gaping hole in central midfield (even with Thiago coming in).


Carrick, Thiago and Kagawa is an excellent midfield three.
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Oh, and Rooney on form is better than Benzema/Higuain or Gomez/Mandzukic obviously.
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By Jaygull | Permalink | On 05 July 2013 - 21:54 PM
Oh, and Rooney on form is better than Benzema/Higuain or Gomez/Mandzukic obviously.

..Is it that obvious?
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By Telegram Sam | Permalink | On 06 July 2013 - 06:53 AM
Carrick and Thiago with Kagawa just in front of them would be pretty deadly.


This.
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By Telegram Sam | Permalink | On 05 July 2013 - 21:58 PM
..Is it that obvious?


Yeah, but his form is so patchy.
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Mandzukic is excellent.
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By Telegram Sam | Permalink | On 05 July 2013 - 21:53 PM
Carrick and Thiago with Kagawa just in front of them would be pretty deadly.

It'd be great going forward but it looks entirely unconvincing defensively. Of the three Carrick is the most competent defensively and it's still not his strong suit. Personally I think United need a more physical, defensive midfielder than they do another playmaker. Because talented though Thiago is, Carrick and Kagawa aren't exactly doing badly.
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Darron Gibson for a shock return perhaps?
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By Eric Portapotty | Permalink | On 06 July 2013 - 22:11 PM
Darron Gibson for a shock return perhaps?


If the entire midfield was wiped out due to the coronavirus yeah.
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By bluemoon. | Permalink | On 06 July 2013 - 10:07 AM
It'd be great going forward but it looks entirely unconvincing defensively. Of the three Carrick is the most competent defensively and it's still not his strong suit. Personally I think United need a more physical, defensive midfielder than they do another playmaker. Because talented though Thiago is, Carrick and Kagawa aren't exactly doing badly.

It's funny, because I'd argue Carrick's strong suit is definitely as a defensive unit.

Enough has been said about Carrick's passing, and its highlighted because of his lack of an offensive partner, but in terms of his positional awareness and reading of the game there is few that are better than him. I think the fact he's such a cerebral player playing in a position that is the engine room of a team metaphorically and, in terms of energy expended, belies how good he actually is defensively.

I think it's because of what he's good at actually that means he goes so under the radar, unless you're acutely looking for it you won't easily notice what he does defensively unlike the more hustle and bustle style of midfielders. He's rarely caught out of position, but even when he is he has a surprising turn of pace and is deceptively strong.

I think it's horribly unfair to describe Carrick as only 'competent' defensively, I'd argue at United he's been almost universally in the range of good to exceptional defensively and that's been a constant even when his passing has been less incisive and Carrick has been derided as a 'passenger'.
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I've always seen him as good positionally, but as far more of a creative player than a defensive one.
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He's never an "exceptional" defensive player.

I can push to good but never exceptional.

Man Utd still need an enforcer in there.
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He's basically the next Roy Keane.
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Barry > Carrick
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By Slashman X | Permalink | On 11 July 2013 - 10:13 AM
Barry > Carrick


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Barry > Carrick as a defensive midfielder

Carrick > Barry as a creative midfielder.

Both have been hideously underrated for large chunks of their careers.
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By bluemoon. | Permalink | On 11 July 2013 - 21:11 PM
Barry > Carrick as a defensive midfielder

Carrick > Barry as a creative midfielder.

Both have been hideously underrated for large chunks of their careers.


I thought Barry was a very good player when at Villa, not so much since he's gone to City.
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Barry has been immense since he went to City
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By bluemoon. | Permalink | On 11 July 2013 - 12:11 PM
Barry > Carrick as a defensive midfielder

Carrick > Barry as a creative midfielder.

Both have been hideously underrated for large chunks of their careers.


Nah, Barry's just aided by the fact he has usually had a partner that knows what the fuck he's supposed to do when his teams not got the ball.

Carrick's best partner defensively has been a bloke who has bene ridiculed for his inability to tackle. Fletcher and Hargreaves didn't do too badly to but then Hargreave's legs fell off and Fletcher couldn't play 90 minutes without needing a shit, so there was never really any chance to form a partnership.
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By Ninja | Permalink | On 11 July 2013 - 12:46 PM
Nah, Barry's just aided by the fact he has usually had a partner that knows what the fuck he's supposed to do when his teams not got the ball.

Carrick's best partner defensively has been a bloke who has bene ridiculed for his inability to tackle. Fletcher and Hargreaves didn't do too badly to but then Hargreave's legs fell off and Fletcher couldn't play 90 minutes without needing a shit, so there was never really any chance to form a partnership.


What a terrible point you just tried to make
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By Slashman X | Permalink | On 11 July 2013 - 12:48 PM
What a terrible point you just tried to make

Not really.

Carrick's been a one man midfield more often than not.

Barry's had players that are actually good alongside him and a chance to form a partnership. The fact Carrick is still better than him despite Barry's favourable circumstances for the latter doesn't reflect well on Barry.
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United should just buy Barry and get this comparison over and done with.
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By Eric Portapotty | Permalink | On 11 July 2013 - 12:59 PM
United should just buy Barry and get this comparison over and done with.

At this point I wouldn't even be mad.

Liam Miller could probably do a job these days.
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By K3VO | Permalink | On 11 July 2013 - 12:31 PM
I thought Barry was a very good player when at Villa, not so much since he's gone to City.

He's been one of our most influential players since the takeover. He's only really started to decline in the last season.

By Ninja | Permalink | On 11 July 2013 - 12:46 PM
Nah, Barry's just aided by the fact he has usually had a partner that knows what the fuck he's supposed to do when his teams not got the ball.
partnership.

Hilariously inaccurate.

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