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Here is my 80s Style European Competitions database for this year's iteration of FM. I have released this over the last few years, and for those of us old enough to remember, this was an era where it was knockout football all the way. Here is the link to the FM23 version: https://sortitoutsi.net/content/61898/80s-style-european-competitions . This year I have reworked the stadium hosting from the way I had it before. This means you will no longer see Murrayfield hosting (although it has hosted football, for me it will always be a rugby venue), and small stadium hosts are now a thing of the past. The bigger grounds will host the EC finals with lower capacity grounds being available for the ECWC and the Super Cup.
The competitions in order of importance are as follows....
European Cup: 54 team tournament. League Champions only plus the holders of the competition from the previous year. If the holders are also their nation's champions then an extra nation is invited to take part.
European Cup Winners' Cup: 54 team tournament again. Domestic FA Cup winners take part. In the event that a team has done a league and cup double, then the runner-up takes their place. Holders from the year before are invited back if not in the EC.
UEFA Cup: 112 team tournament, with a 2 legged final. A nation can have between 2 and 4 representatives depending on the ranking of the nation. Qualifying teams are based on league positions, and in England and Scotland, the League Cup winners qualify as they used to back in the day. The holders are also invited back if not already partaking in European competition.
European Super Cup: The winners of the EC play the winners of the ECWC in August.
NOTES
- All matches are played over 2 legs, with the away goals rule included. The exception to this is the finals in the EC, ECWC, and the Super Cup.
- I have made a Welsh Cup file available to download for use with this mod. This file makes 5 English based Welsh teams available to play in the Welsh Cup (Swansea City, Cardiff City, Newport County, Merthyr Town, and Wrexham). This used to happen in the 80s, and was open to a few more border teams than I have entered here. Each year didn't necessarily have the same border teams playing. What makes this interesting is this type of thing becomes possible, where Third Division Newport County made it to the quarter-finals of the ECWC!
- The squad selection rules have been amended to match the current European continental squad selection rules. (added 29th Dec)
- Financial Fair Play now included to match the current rules. (added 29th Dec)
- Liechtenstein get a representative in the ECWC, as despite no domestic league, they do have a domestic cup.
- Russia and Belarus are included. I'm not making a political statement here, I just prefer to see the teams competing. It's still a game after all!
- I added club coefficient points for drawing and winning matches in the fm23 version. This is based on how it was in the 80s. I cannot get the coefficients page to show in the game as I had to keep the rules as fixed, and they only show in flexible rules. However if you look at the League Reputation page, in the Europe tab, you will see that the top 16 leagues are the countries that will be receiving byes to the first round of the EC and ECWC. This does change over time. I have tested into the next century and I can confirm that this part of the game is dynamic. I don't know if my allocation of club coefficient points effects the league rankings but it is something I will explore further in future releases.
- The Club World Championship works in the game, but I have haven't got my head round how teams are picked. I have paid no attention to it as I use my own Club World Cup file. It will work with other files as well. The winners of the EC are instructed to qualify for it.
- Some European leagues have European playoffs at the end of their season. These are rendered useless now as the UEFA Cup takes the league placings for the qualifiers. Belgium and Romania spring to mind. If the league splits into a Championship group the final placings in this mini league is what counts.
- You will notice at the end of the season that the league champions have a 'C' next to them in the final league table. There's no visible information from the league table screen to say who has qualified for what. This is not a bug. It is because I did away with the Europe > Continent > Teams tab in the editor. You can find out who has qualified for what by clicking the team overview and then competition to see what they're involved in in the new season.
- Please use the Dutch file attached along with this file if you want the Dutch FA Cup to work. This just removes any link to the now defunct Europa Conference League.
- Place the files in the 'editor data' folder, and tick them when you start a new career game.
Thanks to those who downloaded and enjoyed it last year. I hope you enjoy this one even more!!
- Date Created
- 14 Dec 2023 23:29:21
- Date Updated
- 29 Dec 2023 22:54:47
- Last Comment
- 08 Mar 2024 23:42:44
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Lionheart3040
Awesome! Thanks for the great work.
Version1
While I really like the general idea, I think it was very awkward to use the old player registration rules.
Most modern squads are not at all capable of filling those.
Nikos Tsimkas
Please add uefa revival for fm24
David Shaw
Is English clubs allowed in this or like the 80's they are banned due to the stupidity of a certain football club
\'Appy \'Ammer
They are allowed.
\'Appy \'Ammer
Feel free to adjust the figure to suit your needs. It certainly makes clubs rethink their transfer policy. Also encourages clubs to use more home grown players.
Version1
Serious question: Can the AI even adjust to it over time?
I think the rules are definitely not a good fit for the first season, if that is possible giving teams 3 years to fix their squads would be sensible.
\'Appy \'Ammer
To be honest I don't really know if the AI does adjust over time. I've tested on view only, so for proper AI interaction full detail would be required. A good bit of testing and analysis would be needed. It's something I'll keep an eye on.
It would certainly be possible to gradually reduce the rules over a period (albeit quite an exhaustive process), but would the AI change their squad development as a result? I'm not sure.
beppemre81
ciao. c'è u problema nelle regole….ho provato a testare un campionato con l'inter e al 2° anno mi sono ritrovato la squadra che partecipa sia alla European Champions Cup che alla Uefa Europa League…non è possibile. Ti invio uno screenshoot per farti capire meglio
PS: anche le registrazioni squadre per le coppe non sono presenti; dovresti inserire la modalità di scelta della rosa, quando finiscono le sessioni di calciomercato.
Grazie! per tutto il resto, ottima creazione 🙂
Curtains2720
Interesting, can you look into the post above @\'Appy \'Ammer ?
\'Appy \'Ammer
Ooh that's not good. I have not come across any problems like that in testing. Is there any way you can send me your save file?
Failing that, can you give me some information…
Regarding squad registration, I am going to re-examine the squad rules and release an update shortly or after the next SI patch.
beppemre81
Ciao Boss, grazie per avermi risposto così velocemente 🙂
ti invio degli screen shoot rigurdanti le domande che mi hai fatto sui vari vincitori….(se poi mi lasci una mail, ti posso inviare anche il file di salvataggio)
Confido in te anche per la sistemazione della registrazione della rosa…resto in fiduciosa attesa del tuo nuovo udpate del database! grazie mille
Ho vinto la serie A, pertanto dovrei fare la Champions Cup (e dall'elenco delle partecipanti 2024/205, questo è CORRETTO 😉
l'Atalanta ha vinto la coppa Italia, pertanto dovrebbe fare la Coppa delle Coppe (e dall'elenco delle partecipanti 2024/205, questo è CORRETTO 😉
beppemre81
Invece dall'elenco delle partecipanti alla Uefa Cup, compare tra le 4 italiane ancora l'Inter (vedi foto sotto)…anche la Lazio è un anomolia perchè guardando la classifica della serie A, a parte Inter e Atalanta, le altri squadre in ordine dovrebbero essere…Milan,Roma,Juventus e Fiorentina
\'Appy \'Ammer
Thank you for the screenshots. I cannot explain the problem you have encountered. I have not come across this in all my testing. I would like to take a look at your file. Would you be able to upload it to Mediafire and put the link on here? You can get a free account and be able to use 10gb of data. Let me know.
beppemre81
eccolo….link:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/c9n7dhli1onfunm/test_Coppa_anni_80.fm/file
\'Appy \'Ammer
@beppemre81 Thanks for your game file. In “game status” I notice you've made 1 additional change to my database and have used the In Game Editor. What change did you make? I am wondering if that has compromised my file because if you check La Liga qualifications for Europe, that is messed up too.
This has not occurred in any of my testing, and the logic I have set in the advanced rules would not allow it to happen either. Maybe the IGE has altered something???
beppemre81
ho provato ad aggiungere le registrazioni della rosa per le coppe europee (…in attesa del tuo update) tu dici che potrebbe essere stato quello?
…domani provo a creare una nuova carriera col tuo ultimo file che hai postato…faccio dei test, poi ti faccio sapere!
grazie mille amico! 😉
PS: se vuoi controllare, ecco il file dove ho fatto le “modifiche”:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/kwcd141fw87tc8u/FM24+-+COPPE+EUROPEE+(Old+Style).fmf/file
\'Appy \'Ammer
@beppemre81 I know why your file is playing up. You have changed the set up date to 8th June for the competitions, where I had originally set it for 10th July. This is causing the game to get confused and start picking teams from the wrong season. Man, you caused me a headache for a while, but I'm glad there was nothing wrong with my file.
@Curtains2720 - rest easy, the file is fine! I will adjust the squad registrations soon and release a new update.
beppemre81
Sei un grande! 😀
scusa per l'equivoco….attendo con ansia il tuo aggiornamento per le registrazioni! ci conto Boss 😉
Curtains2720
Great that the mystery is solved!
Happy that the file is fine, I can safely continue the save I started a few days ago
Samcro8
Amazing work u put in there mate, thanks!!
Can u tell me how to get the same backgrounds? Which skin i need?
\'Appy \'Ammer
@Samcro8 Thanks very much. The skin is the Rensie Custom skin over on the SI forum. The backgrounds I downloaded from FM scout, but there is a download from this site as well but I don't know if it is the same pack. https://sortitoutsi.net/graphics/style/17/sortitoutsi-backgrounds-megapack
\'Appy \'Ammer
I have added a new updated 80s file to the opening post. I have amended the squad selection rules to accommodate today's squads builds. I have also added FFP to match what it is currently. I did multiple tests with FFP but not one club failed it. So I hope it works ok. As usual let me know of any issues. Thanks, enjoy, and Happy New Year!
Curtains2720
Hi Appy,
First I want to say I am using your mod since your last update and I love it 🙂
But, and I don't want to give you a headache, the first European Supercup has Lazio playing in it due to them being the last Cup Winners Cup in 1998.
In addition, they also participate in the first Cup Winners Cup of 2023 due to them being title holders.
Any chance you can change both these things?
Curtains2720
Hi Appy,
First I want to say I am using your mod since your last update and I love it 🙂
But, and I don't want to give you a headache, the first European Supercup has Lazio playing in it due to them being the last Cup Winners Cup in 1998.
In addition, they also participate in the first Cup Winners Cup of 2023 due to them being title holders.
Any chance you can change both these things?
\'Appy \'Ammer
Thanks @Curtains2720 . Can you believe I haven't played any of fm24 yet, so I'm real pleased you're enjoying the file. I was always happy leaving Lazio in, as they are the reigning champs after all! But I can tell you how to change it for a team of your choice, it's easily done.
It may interest you to know that I've now almost got another update ready for release. In this version I have transferred all the ECWC details into the Europa Conference League ID. A nice little touch from doing this is the walkout anthem is now played for the ECWC matches. I am just in the process of sorting out the ad board hoardings of all 3 competitions so as to remove any references to the Champions League, Europa League, or Conference League.
I have also successfully introduced dynamic top seeded nations that change every 3 years for the EC and the ECWC. That is based on world rankings, so if a country is in the top 16 in Europe then the club representative will be a top seed and have a bye to the first round.
On top of that I have recreated Russia so they now have world rankings working, they play in all international tournaments, and the club teams play on home soil. Throw in English based Welsh teams playing in the Welsh Cup and potentially qualifying for the ECWC, and the file has really developed over the years into a well rounded piece of work.
Regarding Lazio: The easiest way to do it is to alter the history record of the ECWC in the editor. Either replace Lazio with the team you want, or add an extra year into the history with the team you want.
Curtains2720
Hello Appy 🙂 Can't play without your mod anymore! I want to start a new save with the winter update, but it seems your mod needs to be updated too for compatibility - FM does not let me use the current version with the new winter update
Will you update to a new version?
About Lazio, isn't there another way to do changes without “altering history" - I'd like them to be the latest CWC winner still, but just not participate in 2023 Supercup - maybe make a special first edition where it's Sevilla as Europa League winner vs City ?
Hope to hear from you soon 🙂
Curtains2720
Hey Appy, no news? 😢
\'Appy \'Ammer
Hello mate, I've had a few last minute hiccups with my file. Problems with squad registrations not quite working right. Not helped with SI completely ignoring some issues in the editor which has slowed the whole process down and making me rethink certain things. Hopefully not too much longer.
Curtains2720
Thanks for the update!! Sorry to hear that it is getting complicated - will certainly continue waiting because I love this mod. 🙂