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#417559 2017/18 FA Cup
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Norwich or Chelsea away... not my first choice for Round Four.
#417132 Transfer Rumours 2017/18
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Bet Everton must be pleased he turned Chelsea down on deadline day, didn't get fit to play another match, and then left for Chelsea anyway for £20m less.

Still something rather than losing on a free transfer, mind.
#416612 Newcastle - The Toon Rising
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Bloody nora that's a hell of an achievement. Congratulations.
#416587 2017/18 Barclays Premier League Thread
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Clearly Mark Hughes' promise that Stoke would beat Newcastle after resting all their main attackers at Chelsea has aged well.

Not that we need to care. 3 points off a direct rival in this fight as part of 7 gained over this Christmas/NY period... rosier than it looked going into it after all those losses.
#416460 2017/18 Barclays Premier League Thread
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It genuinely sounds as though neither manager was that interested in winning the match. But it also puzzling that we're happy to give it a go away for some parts, but then play very inhibited in games at St. James' Park. Hopefully this may add up to Stoke being seen off on NYD, but they'll be presumably more up for it after their spanking by Chelsea.

The only real plus from yesterday was that it wasn't another defeat, and even that feels like its not enough given the late winners for Swansea and Bournemouth.
#415968 2017/18 Barclays Premier League Thread
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Missed the game but not entirely sure what to expect from such a scoreline or playing 5-4-1. Even if better teams with more belief that they could beat Man City have lost by bigger scorelines. Guess we'll also not know what would've happened if, by some bizarre case, the Shelvey kick-off wallop had gone straight in.

Wonder if anyone might actually have a go at City from the off in an upcoming game.
Saivet was apparently sent straight to the reserves - as was Doumbia.

Ah Thauvin. - Benitez sold a guy who's probably worth £50m for less than he bought Matt Ritchie or Jacob Murphy.

Tbf it looks that like the case with Payet and West Ham, Thauvin didn't want to leave Marseille in the first place and McClaren had already removed him once. Even if it wasn't all done before his re-loaning/permanent sale. Typical he's then turned into an elite level player... the 21st Century Jon Dahl Tomasson syndrome. Meh.

Did Doumbia do anything for us? Quite something that for the key game against Bournemouth that ended the McClaren era, Riviere got the nod instead.
#415966 Transfer Rumours 2017/18
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£75million feels excessive.

Dunno if its helped Southampton to hold out and keep him there this season given he looked like he could not be bothered in his cameo this campaign for a team that has a poor looking forward line
#415838 2017/18 Barclays Premier League Thread
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Saivet was apparently banished to the reserves by Rafa for two years....

And yeah I'm a bit skeptical about the injuries - looked to me that Benitez is stunting to try and 'prove a point'

I thought he'd already been put in the reserves before Benitez rocked up, then wanted to go back to France after the demotion as Thauvin and Cabella did, but only came back last summer because nobody wanted him. Its still a pleasing way to find the option is there. Whether or not he'll still be about when Hayden, Merino and Shelvey return... who knows.

I'm willing to guess some are exaggerated a bit, but not all. Some may be for fitness - there's a stupid quantity of games in December '17, for one - but I'd guess, for instance, you've got the isolated case of Mitrovic for something's being potentially exaggerated, given his red card run rate means he's not being trusted. But then I doubt in the long run it really achieves much - we don't really have a great squad anyway, so starving it further seems counterproductive.
Saying lucky not to go is an understatement. That he argued 3 matches was excessive is mind-blowing, though. Whilst there was less force than in the Tyrone Mings stamp last season, there was certainly more intent to cause harm and for that reason alone I'd argue the same length of ban. Violence in football is in a bubble, mind. A couple of years ago I recall a lad getting jailed for a punch on an opponent and quite rightly. Perhaps someone needs an example making of them just to remind others that, actually, they need to stay in line and behave themselves. Because we can't have players running around kicking others in the head while they're on the floor - it's an act of absolute cowardice. That's twice this season our keeper has been kicked deliberately in the head and thankfully this time the FA has been able to take action, but I've noticed a really nasty streak in this division that I've not seen in any others.

The incident with Simon Francis getting a yellow for kicking Kouyate in the face during the Bournemouth-West Ham game certainly looks like another to the group of these incidents in recent weeks. That looked a red (Kilbane's verdict of just a yellow.... no) but it seems absurd to just charge in like that given the risk associated it with it. Josh King reacting to a misplaced pass by raising an arm and accidentally punching Obiang in the face was almost comic, but I guess a different ref could be inclined to produce that card.

That game as a whole looked demented, mind. Not to mention coming with farcical refereeing... how the fuck that late Wilson goal stood is mystifying given he was offside and it went in off his arm.
#415383 2017/18 Barclays Premier League Thread
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Tbf I thought Saivet didn't get a great deal of chances in his half-season after arriving - think he only made two starts, one of which was a game at Everton where everyone was terrible. Although even then I'd imagine it would've been Merino and Hayden if they were available. Didn't even notice Lejeune was out of the squad altogether, but then I only found out the team news after kick off... fair one on Mitrovic.

Dunno if it'll lead to a pick up, mind, given that Manchester City is the next game. Still, there's always hope that we'll succeed where everyone has failed... well that or just pure delusion.
Austin should be off. Simple. A pre-meditated, cowardly, scummy attack on our goalkeeper leaving him down injured. Knew what he was doing. Kick straight to the face, looks like it's broken Lössl's nose.

Disgraceful. That's not a ban. That's a fucking prison sentence.

Is it karma that Austin duly got a hamstring injury and seems to be out for longer than a ban would've been for, or is it still the case he still should've gone? He was lucky not to go for that incident.
#415342 2017/18 Barclays Premier League Thread
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While not quite as comfortable as it could've been judging by the internet/Sky, a win for the first time in too fucking long is all good. Very nice as well to see Diame and Saivet do good things after all the half-arsed performances of the former and the latter's virtual anonymity.
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So, how long before City lose?

Can't help but think it'll be a while yet, but when it does, it'll probably happen to someone unexpected rather than a top side. Either that or Champions League becomes priority in the second half of the season and focus wanders a little bit on league games.

Its even more strange that none of these seem to have really put Fabian Delph under a great deal of pressure in his makeshift left-back role, but given the riches going forward, maybe they've just gone for the "attack is best form of defence" routine.
#414584 2017/18 Barclays Premier League Thread
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I think I've genuinely forgotten what winning a game feels like.

Might as well just re-post this every week tbh. Even if I gather we weren't as terrible as we have been today.

A few weeks ago, I would've had West Ham as ideal next opponents, particularly at the London Stadium. 7 points from 3 games means I'm not so sure.
#414103 2017/18 Barclays Premier League Thread
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I think I've genuinely forgotten what winning a game feels like.
#413460 2017/18 Barclays Premier League Thread
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I mean, Pardew, Carver and McClaren each served up similarly patchy runs of form and got shit for it so it's certainly fair to ask if Benitez is currently performing below expectations, even accounting for having a weaker squad than those three predecessors.
Benteke taking the penalty off Milivojević in the last minute. Crazy.

You kind of knew that when Benteke insisted on having it, it wasn't going to go in. Potentially huge as well given that Palace's season had been beginning to pick up.
#413376 2017/18 Barclays Premier League Thread
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Well that was depressing and yet worryingly familiar at present.
#412475 2017/18 FA Cup
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Third Round draw is out, with a Merseyside Derby among the headline making ties.

Home to Luton for NUFC... could be interesting and more uncomfortable than preferred given how freely they score in their league, but it is still a League Two team.
#411456 2017/18 Barclays Premier League Thread
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Newcastle's lead was nice why it lasted.

I feel the same.

Regardless of the circumstances around our cheapskate squad and the takeover or not story, 1 point from 6 matches is shit form... Leicester and Everton in our next two are pretty big games.
#410718 2017/18 Barclays Premier League Thread
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One or two Newcastle fans seem gutted we missed out on Joe Hart in the summer. Clearly West Ham are reaping the benefits of that one at the moment.
#410556 2017/18 Barclays Premier League Thread
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A point is definitely something I would taken at 2-0 down but Christ alive our defending from crosses has been appalling all season. Yedlin in particular has looked pretty terrible recently.
#410053 2017/18 Barclays Premier League Thread
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Don't think anyone who started that game was any good (subs are irrelevant because they all came on too late to do anything). I don't know if from the highlights the key factor was Watford playing well - except perhaps Gray, who should really have got 3 or more - or Newcastle being top-to-bottom garbage. Could well be both.

Seemed a bit of a weird day all round. Man Utd's goal was a bit of a joke, WBA taking a point from Spurs and arguably having better chances to win was a turn up for the books, and the referee in the Swansea v Bournemouth game was pretty bad.
#410000 2017/18 Barclays Premier League Thread
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Trust the talk of takeovers to coincide with form going to shit.
#409972 The Lower League Thread
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Literally a question which pops up every other time we play a club with a big following. And almost every time the answer is the same: revenue. A boiling point for many of our fans which sit in the Manny End or the Cemmy End and are constantly being shifted to the family stand. However, if you have the chance to milk the cow and bring in 3.700 paying fans form Blackburn or insist on giving them one end and restrict them to 1.500, what would you choose? We're supposed to get a new stadium at some point and hope stuff like that will be cleared by then..

Fair enough.

Seeing as its as much economics, daresay it might well be something done by other clubs in future too.
#409393 2017/18 Barclays Premier League Thread
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Pardew seems to be the early favourite. Would be a fairly curious appointment - did well initially at Palace to get them out of danger, then seemed to double back and effectively helped start the problems they're in now. Bit like Pulis, really.

Maybe that's just how it is for the majority of Premier League clubs - just keep out of the danger zone for as long as possible.
#408832 The Lower League Thread
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Speaking of Bury, why do away fans sit behind both goals there? I've seen it on TV highlights and thought it looked a bit unusual.
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To be fair to our mob, we didn't look that bad against a side featuring two players that cost more than our entire starting line-up by themselves, but the second half just seemed to get away from us very quickly.

Saying that, our recent uninspiring form means we need to be getting points off Watford and West Brom.
4-0 now, and the owner is there too in a rare visit. Doesn't bode well for the bus driver.

The odd thing is that if WBA had been managed by anyone else, Pulis might be tempting man to call at this point. He probably deserves a smidge more time, but I can see why WBA fans think he's had enough time to this point. They seem to be the team that limps over the line after getting 40 points one year, then doesn't shake the hangover. Which kinda makes the case for why Watford like changing managers when they do that.

To weigh in on events in Dorset, I don't think Wilson was offside before his second goal, but a part of me wasn't entirely convinced it was a free-kick against Mooy in the first place. The one from Daniels before the first goal was a definite foul, but for all Bournemouth goals, the defending was pretty poor.
#408675 2017/18 Barclays Premier League Thread
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Well... that went downhill fast.
#408622 2017/18 Barclays Premier League Thread
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Would it be too harsh to sack him after losing to Chelsea?

I guess if they were to, West Brom fans would argue it would be the fact they seemed to have taken their foot off the gas since hitting 40 points in the back half of last season, and then not got back into the swing of things for this season.

Probably not of great help for him that their next game is at Spurs.
#408619 2017/18 Barclays Premier League Thread
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Blimey Pulis' defensive nous has fallen off a cliff so far this season.
#404457 2017/18 Barclays Premier League Thread
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We're not in that bleak a position at the minute - fwiw, we have as many points or more than we had at this stage in each of our last 4 Premier League seasons, and with what is probably a weaker squad than in those campaigns. Plus that demotion 2 years ago is much more to do with McLaren being kept in post for too long, or indeed being appointed. Could even argue we could be looking at a rosier outlook had Gayle's goal been allowed - looked on to me, just.

Even accounting for that, I'm not gonna say its all rosy atm. I think our defence is relatively alright (Manquillo aside) but our attacking play is an issue, be it lack of energy in attack, or playing the wrong game with smaller strikers, or poor buys, or dropping in intensity after not scoring in the opening half hour. Its also certainly not assuring that Man U or a half-decent Watford is the pairing to start the cavalcade of games from now to FA Cup 3rd Round weekend.

As for other clubs, I genuinely don't see Dyche being Everton boss in the post-international break fixtures, seeing as Burnley look in a pretty rosy place atm. But then who knows. Although certainly the case for Billic still being in post is much harder to argue... fuck knows why Moyes is being suggested as a replacement, mind.
#404408 2017/18 Barclays Premier League Thread
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Ah piss and shit.

Also not ideal given the fixture list is looking tougher from this point.