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#1774 The Night Thread Mk. IX
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24 Sep 2012 18:22:58
Am I the only one who's still confused?
#1697 English Premier League 2012/2013
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24 Sep 2012 15:49:30
By Ninja | Permalink | On 24 September 2012 - 16:40 PM
I really don't think you can call Evans tackle anymore two footed than Shelvey's watch this:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8178/8015368309_37ab580c42_o.gif

Both players both feet leave the ground, Evans lands his left foot wide of the ball in no danger to Shelvey and Shelvey makes his lunge with his foot coming round eventually in a scissor movement. Neither of the players use the extra foot in any meaningful attempt to win the ball.

I think it's hard to argue with any of these points.
1. Shelvey makes greater contact with Evans than Evans with Shelvey
2. Shelvey throws himself harder into the lunge than Evans
3. Shelvey makes contact with the ball only after Evans kicks it into him
4. Evans' tackle is off the ground, but no higher than the height of the ball. Shelvey comes over the top of it.

If Shelvey had tackled normally I don't think he was posed any great danger by the tackle that Evans had made. That doesn't make Evans tackle a good one, but if he had made a better tackle he still would have been caught half way up the shin by a tackle thats made minimal contact with the ball and that is why Shelvey was the player that walked.


Fair enough on some of the points, but I'll go on to anwser them.

Seeing Evans is going in two feet side by site, if Shelvey gets to the ball first, both would have landed in Shelvey's leg. So I'd say there's an element of danger there. Shelvey mean while throws him self in, I don't think his intent is to actually win the ball, but block any attempt from Evans, hence he's really spread out and trails a leg to the side.

as for the numbered ones:

1. Yes I agree with that. But I don't think that should affect a situation? If you're lunging into a tackle and someone ducks out the way to save themselves, should you not be sent off for not making contact?

2. I'm not sure he does. He's got more momentum, as he's further from the ball at the start, but I don't think he throws himself in with much excessive force. I think he's aim, as I already said, is to block Evan's from winning the ball.

3. I agree with this one too. However that's because he's got further to get to the ball, hence he's late with his challenge.

4. I guess so, but both players still come in with both feet of the ground. If one walks so does the other for me.
#1691 One on One Finishes
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24 Sep 2012 15:41:21


That third goal.
#1687 English Premier League 2012/2013
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24 Sep 2012 15:29:11
By Ninja | Permalink | On 24 September 2012 - 16:22 PM
No, but it doesn't exactly make it just as bad.

Shelvey's tackle is far more wild, far more dangerous and far further over the top than Evans'.

I really don't doubt there's much difference between Van Persie's and Evans' tackles, and Evans almost certainly wouldn't have escaped without a booking without Shelvey's tackle upstaging it almost.

I think in situations like these it's always wise for the referee to deal with the most serious incident primarily, I think it's hard to deny that Shelvey's is the worst of the two tackles made for the ball so the correct decision was to send him off, any additional punishment for Evans' be it a red card, a yellow or no further action should be dealt with as a secondary consideration.

I genuinely think there is only one tackle that we saw yesterday that endangered a player's safety and two that were reckless.


Erm no. Shelvey is going in one footed, and granted he lunges I'd say that's less dangerous than diving two feet in. Not going to bother explaining further as I already have and each side is going to have a different view.
#1646 The England National Team
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24 Sep 2012 10:25:51
Good defender in his day though, and that's what matters on the pitch so i'd say he could be missed.
#1620 English Premier League 2012/2013
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24 Sep 2012 06:53:59
By Zog | Permalink | On 23 September 2012 - 23:08 PM
Let it go.

Anyone can see what Evans did wasn't on par with what Shelvey did, no matter how many slow motion videos you pointlessly inspect.


How is what Evans did not on par? Just because he's not caught the player? So it's okay to jump in two footed off the ground if you don't catch the other player now is it?
#1565 English Premier League 2012/2013
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23 Sep 2012 21:41:09
Hope the FA ban Evans for three games then.
#1491 English Premier League 2012/2013
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23 Sep 2012 16:53:11
Pleased for Arsenal, they're looking good this season.
#1480 English Premier League 2012/2013
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23 Sep 2012 16:39:12



Absolute idiot too.

Thought the pre match was very nice, actually got quite emotional. Ruined a little by the chanting during YNWA, but we're no saints either.
#1478 English Premier League 2012/2013
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23 Sep 2012 16:36:29
Absolute bollocks that. If Shelvey is sent of then Evans has to go too? I'd say Evans is gone in worse, he's got both feet off the ground and in the direction of Shelvey, while Jonjo is coming in sort of awkwardly, with one leg to the side, which would never affect Evans. Van Persie's lounge was pretty bad too, but I've only seen one replay so I'll wait till match of the day with that one. Nice to see them get a penalty for one of the softest touches ever, but us get denied for the Suarez one.

Consistancy, eh.

Baring all that we played alright, gutted with the result though.
#1239 The Relationship Thread
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22 Sep 2012 22:07:07
It's easy, she slept on the sofa.
#1238 The Night Thread Mk. IX
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22 Sep 2012 22:05:42
Oh yeah fair enough. Someone delete that post then. Just thought I'd post a deal I saw but it's better to buy of susie.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=221126258480

Got that laptop in the end.
#1236 English Premier League 2012/2013
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22 Sep 2012 22:03:17
Really nice goal by Cole there, that back heel from Mata was classy. Enjoyed that one.
#1235 Anyone fancy a one-way trip to Mars?
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22 Sep 2012 22:02:35
By Obtuse | Permalink | On 22 September 2012 - 22:12 PM
Emailing them later


Fuck yes.
#1173 The Night Thread Mk. IX
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22 Sep 2012 16:38:40
Thanks PA. Yeah I understand what you mean, but this is only really to use the Internet, plus my younger sister could watch some youtube clips and play some barbie games. Barbie games are the one.

Need to get some proper tower or laptop for myself though soon, have been using mom's laptop (which is alright, just over heats a lot now and think I've fucked it), so might have a look for some gaming ones soon.
#1172 PES 2013
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22 Sep 2012 16:35:24
By Dutton | Permalink | On 22 September 2012 - 16:57 PM
Ok cheers

Can't do the bloody nutmeg shot in training, pissing me off.


Kept trying that on the demo and never came off
#1169 The Night Thread Mk. IX
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22 Sep 2012 16:17:48
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Toshiba-NB100-Netbook-1-6Ghz-1Gb-120Gb-Hdd-Wireless-Xp-8-9-LED-Very-Clean-/180974062785?pt=UK_Computing_Laptops_EH&hash=item2a22e50cc1#ht_8582wt_1037

would that be okay?
#1166 The Night Thread Mk. IX
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22 Sep 2012 16:08:02
Need some advice buying a laptop. Need a very cheap laptop for my mom that will only really be used for the internet, can be a notebook, preferably not much over £100. No high spec machine or anything.
#1123 English Premier League 2012/2013
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22 Sep 2012 13:12:55
Dyer sent off too.
#1047 The Night Thread Mk. IX
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21 Sep 2012 19:59:49
The fuck you get a picture of my girlfriend from?
#1036 Fitness Thread
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21 Sep 2012 18:53:14
Woah woah woah. Since when is it okay to call football boots cleats?
#1010 English Premier League 2012/2013
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21 Sep 2012 17:25:48
Podolski so badly out of time.
#1008 The University Thread
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21 Sep 2012 17:23:56
Finally managed to cut my personal statement under 4000 characters, should stick that in the achievements section.
#971 The Relationship Thread
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21 Sep 2012 14:42:07
Breaking my heart :'(
#969 The Night Thread Mk. IX
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21 Sep 2012 14:39:17
I'll buy it for £25 of you, but remind me closer to the date.
#881 PES 2013
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21 Sep 2012 06:54:48
Out today, hoping to pick it up by the weekend,if not then early next week. Looking forward to this actually.
#880 UEFA Champions League 2012 - 2013 Thread
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21 Sep 2012 06:53:07
That Oscar goal was class, only saw it last night, but quality strike.
#878 The Relationship Thread
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21 Sep 2012 06:50:42
Only realised I've been with susie longer than I've been with my gf.

True love
#877 The Night Thread Mk. IX
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21 Sep 2012 06:49:13
By smurphptfc | Permalink | On 21 September 2012 - 00:26 AM
I'm with Sky now and for >£20 a month I have a phone line with free evening and weekend calls and unlimited broadband. I don't know what the download speed is but it said "optimum" which for me, at the moment, is around 8mb or something but it's no problem at all. A one-off payment for a router (£10) and installation (£2 or something) and that's it. Getting broadband free (£7.50p/m) for the first six months so we're only paying £12.25 p/m plus whatever for using the phone when it's not free. Oh, and we got a free £25 M&S voucher. Lavely.


Wouldn't I have to pay for line rental since I'm with virgin?
#808 The Night Thread Mk. IX
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20 Sep 2012 21:43:19
Erm not sure what I'm on at the moment, but I don't want to pay this much.

Ideally something around £20 quid a month with basic TV would do, maybe £30 tops.