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@Blurb  Okay specifically which file is this, can you give the URL that it's happening on, that would help.

I think you're looking at the situation from a different angle. I’m not asking you to create an extra file just so I can delete it—I’m asking you to separate them so I can actually use your update 🙂

I'm afraid I don't understand can you please explain what you're doing step by step so I can understand what it is you're trying to do and why

it would be better to give an option

How many different options do you think we should create? Because of the top of my head this is what people ask for:

1. All dates changed by 1 year
2. All dates changed by 2 years
3. No dates changed
4. With contract changes modified by 1 year but without ages modified by 1 year
5. With ages modified by 1 year but without contracts modified by 1 year
6. With contract changes modified by 2 years but without ages modified by 2 year
7. With ages modified by 2 year but without contracts modified by 2 year
8. With new players dates changed by 1 year
9. With new players dates changed by 2 years
10. With new players dates not changed
11. Without promotions and relegations so people can use a real results file instead
12. With attribute changes
13. Without attribute changes
14. Without new players
15. With latest player history added to year 2023
16. With latest player history and all old history reduced by 1 year
17. With latest player history and all old history reduced by 2 year
18. With injury history
19. Without injury history

And there's probably even more.

You need to give really good reasons why one of those should be included and others excluded and you're not doing so, you're just whimsically saying “it would better if we had them”.

I agree and that's why loads of time and money has been put into trying to write DBC and FMF files so we can generate them on the fly and let people customise them how they want.

But until then we rely on humans doing a manual task every single day and we need to try and find the right balance of which options we offer and which we don't.

it’s enough if new players are updated just once a month

I don't think it's true that “most people who submit a player are happy to wait a month to see them” 

If someone takes the time to submit “Player A” it's annoying for them to have to wait a month to use him. What you'll find is people won't bother submitting them to the site they'll just use the editor to create them privately so they can use them straight away and then never contribute them.

We also have to deal with daily support requests “I've submitted Player A and downloaded the update but he's not showing in the game”. Dealing with these daily support requests takes even more time away from actually working on the update.

You're not paying £10 a month you're paying 42p a month???

I also don't know what you mean about “promising regular updates” we do promise regular updates and do give regular updates, the new players used to be updated once a month or so and now they're updated everyday. That's more regular. What on earth is your complaint about not receiving regular updates???

Unless i've missed something (because I may be confusing you with other posters and you didn't explain in your response as requested) you're reasoning is:

I want you to spend the time creating a second file so that I can then delete it and not use it.

Is that correct?

If so that's not very convincing.

It's also not just 15 minutes a day, it's 15 minutes a day ontop of everything else that goes into creating the update. There are infinite tasks that take more than 24 hours a day, so not everything can be achieved so some things are prioritised over others. Creating extra files so that people can delete them is not as high a priority as linking all the external profiles so we can have injury and history updates for example. So it's not a case of refusing to put 15 minutes work in, it's choosing to put those 15 minutes into something else more important.

I would love to split the files into smaller files and allow customisation and a huge amount of work has gone into figuring out the format of DBC and FMF files and I may well have something to show for that soon but no promises because it's a very difficult task. If this can be figured out then we can generate infinite files automatically for every use case.

Can you give more information other than “unable to download”.

Presumably you are taking some steps and then hitting an error but you havent described the steps you've taken or the error you're hitting.

Video or screenshots might help, or just use words to describe exactly what you're doing and why it's not working.

When you open the pre game editor you have to go to File > Load Editor Data (I may have got that slightly wrong, but pretty sure it's something “load XXX” .

When load individual FMF files from our update to see them.

You cannot load all the FMF files at once, so unfortunately you won't see all the changes in the editor at once.

There is a “merge” function which may let you do that, but I have a feeling you may hit issues trying to do that, or at least it will take a very long time to merge them all one by one.

I would also suggest not editing our files. The files cascade in alphabetical order so just create a new file with a name that's alphabetically after our files and it will be applied after. That way you can easily reapply our update in the future without affecting yours.

If you're willing to come up with a solution to our problems rather than demanding that we come up with one then sure, but until we have a solution the answer is no.

We can only generate an XML file not an FMF file. That means every single day someone has to log in, download an XML and create an FMF in the editor and upload it again.

This takes at least 5 minutes sometimes longer depending on the persons PC.

To have two separate files means taking 10+ minutes.

People also want versions that modify the years by +1, or +2 or not at all, once the current season ends, that means 3 different variations.

1 file x 3 versions x 5 minutes = 15 minutes

2 files x 3 version x 5 minutes = 30 minutes

So you're asking someone to spend an extra 15 minutes a day equivalent to 7.5 hours a month creating this extra file for you.

You need to give a really, really, really good reason why someone should spend 7.5 hours making this file for you.

I'm happy to listen to your reasons why and suggestions for how this workload could be decreased.

But you're going to have to say alot more than the one sentence you have.

January 2024 was over a year ago so the +1 year is still necessary?

Starting in June we will have a +2 file for the leagues that run July>May and a +1 file for the leagues that run January>December

Sending you a private message instead

@GorkemSahin  I'm afraid I forget exactly what we did with the foreign limit rule in Turkey, I remember there have been quite alot of discussions about it in the past such as here

If you check @sirEmresto's file here you can see he made one with a few different variations.

I thought we included this one in the update

Gradual Foreign Player Rule: The number of foreign players gradually decreases over the years, similar to real-life regulations

But it seems like you're saying we haven't.

Can you please try and give more detail? I know that's annoying but please be considerate of the fact that not everyone follows the Turkish league closely so you probably have more insight that me and can help jog my memory or guide me to the right solution. It's possible the wrong file is in the update right now and it just needs switching to one of the other of sirEmresto's files.

@om3ga  The new players are no longer in the “new players.fmf” file they are in the “changes” file this allows us to publish new players daily rather than every few months as before.

 “new players.fmf” is empty, it only exists is to overwrite previous ones so people don't accidentally wind up with two files and get duplicates. It's easier to include an empty file like this than ask thousands of people to remember to delete a file.

People shouldn't get duplicates unless they are using a new players file from another update and i'm not aware of any reason why that should be necessary.

But i'm happy to listen to feedback and alternative ideas if people are able to explain in detail what they are trying to do, why and how it can be incorporated into our update without affecting everyone else 🙂

Yours were rejected because you instantly gave two players -10 potential which is higher than anyone else in the world so your submissions can't be trusted.

A way for you to download your own changes for personal use is planned.

@Gee_Simpson can you tell me exactly where this file came from? It would be better to incorporate these types of files into our update if possible 🙂

It will never be finished new players will be always be added check the how to contribute guide on how to add some more

Thanks alot for taking the time to help @PoorJack  🙂

@elpadre77580  There are more than 15,000 new players in the update

Yes new players are in the changes file now instead of the new players file. This allows us to do daily updates rather than every few months as we did before.

Can you be more specific about what it is you're trying to download, where it is you're clicking etc.

Maybe screenshots would help?

Hey @AntonioVib  I refreshed this for you.

If anyone faces the same issue you can always visit ⚙️ > Shop Orders then you should see a button saying “refresh”. This tends to fix it.

Are you using other files? Usually if you hover over it gives some sort of error or there will be two files both marked with a red exclamation.

@AeroK just visit this page and it should tell you if you're getting it or not: https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-data-update 

Looks like the wrong team was moved by Minsterman in the Bulgaria file. That was done in July last year, weird how its taking 9 months for people to notice these things.

@Siggu that's really interesting, how far have you got playing like this, is it actually playable?

@gc28 not sure what happened there but i've refreshed it for you

@Girafi did you get a chance to look at the FMF?

@hypervelocity yes sorry the editor does just have its limitations. Alot of hours have gone into moving all the continental competitions but it's still not working right and if you don't get them all perfect it messes up (e.g. if you manage to move the club world cup but not the national world cup, they'll wind up playing the same time).

We don't bother trying to change the game to 2024 because you can't make the playoffs works so all the wrong teams get promoted and relegated, which you've probably seen yourself.

Improvements to allow the new wonderkids to be added to the no date file is in the works and hopefully you should see something this week, dynamic updates off the top of my head i'm forgetting why they're not in the no date file I need to double check that.

See my previous comment ^

The sending of emails recently became stuck for around 24 hours, i've unstuck them now, it's possible people may get a flurry of emails if they were repeating a task that was failing, apologies if this is the case.

Thanks alot for this that would be amazing if you could.

No idea how Denmark has gone so wrong, it was last updated June 2024 so I can't see how this had only just occurred or reported (unless nobody is managing in Denmark 😂).

But I haven't had the time to look into it at all yet, so i'm just trusting what you say and if you can send me a new FMF i'll also trust it's right.

Derby Manager is another one: https://www.derbymanager.com/